Hip Hop "Fans" That Hate On Sampling..When Did This Start?

[raw613]

It started after Biggie died, when Diddy/Mase was blowing up. When they was taking easily recognizable hit records and just looping them.

It kinda broke when he sampled Led Zepplin's "Kasmir" for "Come With Me" off the Godzilla soundtrack. SOOO much shyt was talked about that song.

You see the No ID quote where he was talking about how he heard quincy jones claim that music nowadays was just "4 bar loops"?

It was definitely this, there are creative ways to flip it and it is great when done right, I think some people just lump it all together when there are likely classics they love that contain samples they didn't even know were used in there

 

[soulfuljah]

The original creators of that Roberta flack record got credit on TI's track


Songwriter(s)

• Gabriel W. Arillo
  
• Billy Roberts
  
• Clifford Harris
  
• Aldrin Davis
  
• Curtis Mayfield
  
• Donny Hathaway
  
• Leroy Hutson

Interpolation of a sample from a sample
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I remember knowing that sample from Donny Hathaway's song because of the Nate Dogg sample from the beginning of the song and heard Roberta Flack's version long after TI's song.

 

[CuzinQ]

Interpolation of a sample from a sample

That's kind of similar to Maybach Music 1.

Spoiler: Maybach

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the interpolation


the beat with sample

 

[greenvale]

Creative sampling will always be around imo because it's the one thing that will keep the genre alive. Hell there are some songs that have been sampled so much yet each producer flipped it a completely different way. I look at songs like this and know we'll be good.

 

[soulfuljah]

I was way off the mark.....My theory was that some of the Hip Hop fans who have a resentment for sampling, we're brought up during the South's dominance when some of the most popular tracks we're made with digital stock sound synths and that's what they were accustomed to.

 

[spliz]

Anyone who hated on sampling and call themselves into hip hop need their cards revoked.

 

[mobbinfms]

 

[I love Latina women]

97. Bad Boy had alot of cats hating on sampling because the Hitmen generally looped/kept the main melody intact for alot of those hits

^This^

 

[TheDarceKnight]

It's all about the craft and how creative you can be with what you have. That's why RZAs early work gets so much praise. The craft was sublime given the sound and technology available at the time. It may seem like nothing today, but damn that shyt was brilliant and changed the entire landscape

Man, I dunno. I bet a lot of cats including RZA himself can't reproduce a lot of this.

These are fukking bonkers

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Also, besides everyone mentioning the bad Boy heyday, you also had Timbaland, The Neptunes, Swizz, and some others talking about how they didn't sample. Even Dr. Dre said this.

And more and more people were producing on their own with Fruity Loops etc in the early-mid 00's, and it became a hot thing for people to say they made "original" beats like those guys, and not sampled beats.

And ironically, everyone producer I just named sampled a LOT more than they acted like they did. Maybe they all didn't loop and chop samples (they did that too), but they may have just lifted breaks, interpolated melodies, got inspiration from samples, etc.

Still sampling.

Unless you're The Roots and you're playing the instruments yourself, someone made those sounds somewhere.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I went back to watch this throwback vid of my man Ski walking us thru the making of Dead Presidents. And the comments are filed with a bunch of snob ass nikkas hating hard on how simple the track is...It is relatively simple, granted..But still...The disregard some supposed "Hip Hop" fans have for the art of sampling is criminal. Not all sampling is looping the best part of an obvious sample and just throwing drums on the shyt....Cole did that shyt all through out Born Sinner and that she had me like..."You lazy ass nikka."






Around what time did this contempt for sampling in Hip Hop "fans" arise? @TEKBEATZ

Comment sections are cancer friend. Don't even look down there.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

it started with the the bad boy camp sampling popular/obvious parts of songs w/o any real artistry

 

[TheDarceKnight]

it started with the the bad boy camp sampling popular/obvious parts of songs w/o any real artistry

Still to this day at RZA with the "You Cat in the Hat ass rappers...Dr. Seuse Mother Goose..."

then GZA comes in "Stop running up on cats with that wack shyt."

Then RZA comes back with the "It's all good to show love but stop bitin' my shyt!"

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Also, besides everyone mentioning the bad Boy heyday, you also had Timbaland, The Neptunes, Swizz, and some others talking about how they didn't sample. Even Dr. Dre said this.

And more and more people were producing on their own with Fruity Loops etc in the early-mid 00's, and it became a hot thing for people to say they made "original" beats like those guys, and not sampled beats.

And ironically, everyone producer I just named sampled a LOT more than they acted like they did. Maybe they all didn't loop and chop samples (they did that too), but they may have just lifted breaks, interpolated melodies, got inspiration from samples, etc.

Still sampling.

Unless you're The Roots and you're playing the instruments yourself, someone made those sounds somewhere.

Yeah, Neptunes especially have tons of songs that are inspired by older tracks. Two Clipse examples:

Keys Open Doors:



And I can't find the original, but Ride Around Shining is based on whatever song The Pharcyde sampled for Devil Music:

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The sampling I find myself being most blown away by are cats like Dilla or Just Blaze who can take a large .

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