Hip Hop "Fans" That Hate On Sampling..When Did This Start?

[silk scarfs]

I hate both sampling and keyboard beats when they wack

When a nikka sample a soul song and just makes a cheap knock off version of a 9th wonder beat or premier beat

Or when a nikka play a 4 note melody and two chords bootleg 808 mafia beat

These two type of amateur producers be arguing the most about sampling and keyboard beats

these nikkas be arguing the most when they make just as wack beats as each other


For me personally I alternate every month one month I strictly sample and then the next month I'll strictly program melodies and chords

 

[Tflasha]

yall basic ass fukk in this forum - sampling is a large part of hip hop - but as time grows and producers keep using the same fukking sample over and over and fukking over again "some of yall "coli" nikkas still be like, "Did you hear that production from such and such?", the way he flipped ithad me, and that part where it reverts back to the melody" (lt be a literal "basic" ass loop too )i swear he's the best producer ever to grace a mpc (most of the producers yall stan literally just adds drums to music that was already "assembled" "orchestrated" "Composed" "SCORED" - I aint knocking producers who sample by any means but when yall constantly bigging these dudes up when they literally making basic ass beatsshyt needs to stop foreal

 

[Tflasha]

my breh King Musa got the juice tho

 

[ManBearPig]

There's brilliant sampling


And very unnecessary ones l

 

[10bandz]

some sample based producers need to dig more

 

[SirBiatch]

i see the comments, typical 'well i recreated that easily' ass dudes

1. you didnt do it on hardware
2.Ski has made his living off music for 25 years, you dont

would be my basic counterpoint. everyone can write fire shows/make fire music etc etc but when it comes to content its 'ive been doing other things!'

forget the hardware thing for a second. Let's talk about the real issue: frauds don't have the imagination to make beats as great as Preem/RZA/Pete Rock, etc, no matter how simple the beat is. It's a mix of having an excellent ear and having vision. Most of these cornballs couldn't make one classic sampled beat if their lives depended on it. But they wanna talk shyt about dudes who made dozens of them? hundreds?

 

[ManBearPig]

some sample based producers need to dig more

Very True.

Before shytting on premier, who could have made a classic outta this?

 

[Hannibal Fox]

It started after Biggie died, when Diddy/Mase was blowing up. When they was taking easily recognizable hit records and just looping them.

It kinda broke when he sampled Led Zepplin's "Kasmir" for "Come With Me" off the Godzilla soundtrack. SOOO much shyt was talked about that song.

You see the No ID quote where he was talking about how he heard quincy jones claim that music nowadays was just "4 bar loops"?

Mainly by Led Zepplin fans which is ironic and low key hilarious in hindsight.

 

[head shots101]

everyone is going to be partial to stuff they grew up with, just how music is

who did What U Know, Toomp? thats a monster beat to create from scratch. he gets props for that

I think whay you know about that bassline is a sample...love that beat man

 

[Taadow]

Also, besides everyone mentioning the bad Boy heyday, you also had Timbaland, The Neptunes, Swizz, and some others talking about how they didn't sample. Even Dr. Dre said this.

And more and more people were producing on their own with Fruity Loops etc in the early-mid 00's, and it became a hot thing for people to say they made "original" beats like those guys, and not sampled beats.

And ironically, everyone producer I just named sampled a LOT more than they acted like they did. Maybe they all didn't loop and chop samples (they did that too), but they may have just lifted breaks, interpolated melodies, got inspiration from samples, etc.

Still sampling.

Unless you're The Roots and you're playing the instruments yourself, someone made those sounds somewhere.

This is the major thing that did it.

...and this happened because of what the threadstarter said - when the samples started costing hella money,
then the ARTISTS started hating on sampling. So when the artists started hating on it, the PRODUCERS started
hating it because they had to switch up or die.

So when the artists and producers have decimated that artform, more and more fans don't see the virtue in it.

 

[Insensitive]

If you hate sampling, you hate hip-hop.

The art form was invented by spitting rhymes over already made songs. It's evolved but at it's core, the most purest form of hip-hop involves sampling.

Using 100% original beats is basically electronic music, unless you're playing instruments like The Roots.

I will say there was a point where a lot of hit tracks lacked creativity when it came to sampling, but with the right producer that does put in work, it can be epic.

Hip-Hop by it's very nature is electronic music
so calling an original beat with no sampling
"electronic" doesn't make it less Hip-Hop.
Not to mention lots of early Hip-Hop has Techno and
Electric funk right at the forefront, two other forms
of electronic music.

If we're to look at Hip-Hop music as original and
creative pieces of work and not poor offshoots of
original works then we need to keep it real and realize that someone
sampling poorly does Hip-hop a disservice and honestly makes it look
like a genre filled with hacks.

And to be real , I think sampling is dope but I also think original
works are just as dope if not doper .
Learning an instrument or really truly learning music
will only enhance your Hip-Hop not take from it .

 

[wilburn burchette]

not bothering reading the thread but i've peeped that corny shyt here for a while.

lot of people here have a pretty base understanding of sampling and most likely don't own a single record, usually not even a conversation worth having.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

The other funny thing is people who look down on sampling without realizing that some of their favorite songs are samples, or at least a synthesized remake of another song. nikkas on Twitter were going crazy over Mask Off like Metro Boomin came up with the flutes himself, when all he did was take a 70s song intro and throw trap drums on it.

And then you got Boi-1-Da being a fukkboy and always saying slick shyt about sample-based producers, when his most memorable songs are samples . When 0 to 100 came out he was flexing saying "That's not a sample, that's the work of Frank Dukes blah blah blah" Like dude...the guy made a royalty free song SPECIFICALLY so you could use the parts you liked...and you couldn't even look past the first 3 seconds of it . Dude just sampled without even digging and tried to act like it was some original shyt.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

The other funny thing is people who look down on sampling without realizing that some of their favorite songs are samples, or at least a synthesized remake of another song. nikkas on Twitter were going crazy over Mask Off like Metro Boomin came up with the flutes himself, when all he did was take a 70s song intro and throw trap drums on it.

And then you got Boi-1-Da being a fukkboy and always saying slick shyt about sample-based producers, when his most memorable songs are samples . When 0 to 100 came out he was flexing saying "That's not a sample, that's the work of Frank Dukes blah blah blah" Like dude...the guy made a royalty free song SPECIFICALLY so you could use the parts you liked...and you couldn't even look past the first 3 seconds of it . Dude just sampled without even digging and tried to act like it was some original shyt.

Justice League also did that shyt where they said they didn't same but always did.

 

[Larry Lambo]

Hip-Hop by it's very nature is electronic music
so calling an original beat with no sampling
"electronic" doesn't make it less Hip-Hop.
Not mention lots of early Hip-Hop has Techno and
Electric funk right at the forefront, two other forms
of electronic music.

If we're to look at Hip-Hop music as original and
creative pieces of work and not poor offshoots of
original works then we need to keep it real and realize that saying someone sampled poorly does Hip-hop a disservice and honestly
makes it look like a genre filled with hacks.

And to be real , I think sampling is dope but I also think original
works are just as dope if not doper .
Learning an instrument or really truly learning music
will only enhance your Hip-Hop not take from it .

Fair point. I still view sampling as foundation of hip hop music, while original beats are something that it grew into.

There's room in the game for both, tho.