Is Westbrook a Top 10 All-Time PG?

[Greenhornet]

he's my favorite player right now
nash was my old favorite

I would put him right outside top 10 but the things he does and has done are incredible
not only subjective, but situation and team plays a huge part in discussion.

alot of cats on the list are pure point, others combo, others off ball... way too different to order them all
you could really take any of them and be good, but it depends on the team and situation.

 

[Luke Cage]

Well considering AI was a SG by position... why would you. By every metric you can judge a PGs facilitating and playmaking, Russ is one of the best to ever do it. Lets pull up the stats.

But then again you thought AI played PG— so that tells us where your BBIQ is.

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Iverson was often paired with big combo guards who didn't facilitate or run the offense, like Larry Huges and would defend the other teams point guard, while Huges would defend the 2 guard. So you could technically go either way with Iverson. Yeah he was listed at the 2, but If he played in this era he would probably be matched up against the same people as westbrook. They both operate as 2 guards but defend the 1 because of their size.
Just like Tim Duncan calling himself a power forward even though he played center the majority of his career. Duncan was always matched up against shaq, not Robert Horry.

 

[ISO]

Chris Paul at 34 years old has OKC on a 52 win pace (higher than any non-KD Westbrook season)

The Thunder were supposed to be done after trading for CP3

Yet, Westbrook is better. CP3 leads Westbrook in most of the ‘lytics. The Rockets have had to go small with P.J. Tucker at the 5 to maximize Westbrook, his season has truly turned around since that point. Son isn’t better than Paul at all it’s absolutely ridiculous.

There’s nothing he does better on a basketball court but be athletic.

I’m taking 2008, 2009 CP3 over Westbrook’s triple double seasons as well.

 

[KillerB88]

Chris Paul at 34 years old has OKC on a 52 win pace (higher than any non-KD Westbrook season)

The Thunder were supposed to be done after trading for CP3

Yet, Westbrook is better. CP3 leads in most of the ‘lytics. The Rockets have had to go small with P.J. Tucker at the 5 to maximize Westbrook, his season has truly turned around since that point. Son isn’t better than Paul at all it’s absolutely ridiculous.

There’s nothing he does better on a basketball court but be athletic.

I’m taking 2008, 2009 CP3 over Westbrook’s triple double seasons as well.

Russ was playing well before the actual Capela trade. And they were playing without Capela before the trade due to his plantar fasciitis. And he's still No. 9 in RPM (above CP3) this season despite starting the season injured

 

[KillerB88]

Chris Paul at 34 years old has OKC on a 52 win pace (higher than any non-KD Westbrook season)

The Thunder were supposed to be done after trading for CP3

Yet, Westbrook is better. CP3 leads in most of the ‘lytics. The Rockets have had to go small with P.J. Tucker at the 5 to maximize Westbrook, his season has truly turned around since that point. Son isn’t better than Paul at all it’s absolutely ridiculous.

There’s nothing he does better on a basketball court but be athletic.

I’m taking 2008, 2009 CP3 over Westbrook’s triple double seasons as well.

double post

 

[ISO]

Russ was playing well before the actual Capela trade. And they were playing without Capela before the trade due to his plantar fasciitis. And he's still No. 9 in RPM (above CP3) this season despite starting the season injured

Exactly. The Rockets have had to play devoid of a big man just to appease Westbrook.

CP3 leads him in PER, WS, TS%, value over replacement, box plus minus, clutch time play all that

And he’s 3-4 years older and has taken a step back in usage

 

[KillerB88]

Chris Paul at 34 years old has OKC on a 52 win pace (higher than any non-KD Westbrook season)

The Thunder were supposed to be done after trading for CP3

Yet, Westbrook is better. CP3 leads Westbrook in most of the ‘lytics. The Rockets have had to go small with P.J. Tucker at the 5 to maximize Westbrook, his season has truly turned around since that point. Son isn’t better than Paul at all it’s absolutely ridiculous.

There’s nothing he does better on a basketball court but be athletic.

I’m taking 2008, 2009 CP3 over Westbrook’s triple double seasons as well.

Funny how people forget that PG was traded away as well and was a Top 3 MVP candidate for most of the season
And why don't you look at the Thunder's record vs above .500 teams compared to the Rockets. The Thunder have done a great job beating teams they have the talent to beat-- not so much against actual great teams. This is also ignoring that it's really the elevated play of Schroeder and SGA giving them that lift.

 

[KillerB88]

Exactly. The Rockets have had to play devoid of a big man just to appease Westbrook.

CP3 leads him in PER, WS, TS%, value over replacement, box plus minus all that

And he’s 3-4 years older and has taken a step back in usage

Dummy. Capela IS NOT EVEN PLAYING. They would have had to do this regardless-- and Russ was playing well with Capela in the lineup anyway. He was out of shape and had his hand taped through the second week of December. You're not making the point you think you are.

 

[ISO]

Funny how people forget that PG was traded away as well and was a Top 3 MVP candidate for most of the season
And why don't you look at the Thunder's record vs above .500 teams compared to the Rockets. The Thunder have done a great job beating teams they have the talent to beat-- not so much against actual great teams. This is also ignoring that it's really the elevated play of Schroeder and SGA giving them that lift.

Doesn’t matter you play whose in front of you. As a title contender which is what the Rockets are supposed to be you can’t play up and down to the comp.

And SGA and Shcro’s success is due to Paul’s leadership he’s taught both things and has fell back for the good of the team. He’s still statistically their best player and has dropped his usage. Westbrook would not do this he wants to monopolize the ball and put up gaudy numbers and control the whole game.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Kevin Johnson is so slept on and better than a lotta niccas y'all mentioned

 

[ISO]

Dummy. Capela IS NOT EVEN PLAYING. They would have had to do this regardless-- and Russ was playing well with Capela in the lineup anyway. He was out of shape and had his hand taped through the second week of December. You're not making the point you think you are.

Nikka he can’t shoot. He’s shooting 25% from deep, W.O.A.T. volume three point shooter in NBA history and he’s averaging 5 turnovers.

He’s not better than Chris Paul.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Even with facing lesser competition Walt Frazier hasn't done anything comparable to Westbrook outside of winning 2 championships. We don't really value 70s championships

Jerry West and Oscar Robertson the only point guards of that era that can be in this discussion.

Dumbest post I've ever seen

 

[KillerB88]

Nikka he can’t shoot. He’s shooting 25% from deep, W.O.A.T. volume three point shooter in NBA history and he’s averaging 5 turnovers.

He’s not better than Chris Paul.

CP3 minimizes turnovers by holding the ball. That's the been the narrative surrounding his style of play his entire career. He's very conscious of those kinds of numbers. That's part of why he's never been known as a scorer. He won't shoot unless it's absolutely a high % shot for him. He won't pass unless he's confident it'll absolutely lead to a made bucket. Facilitators like Bron and Russ are more aggressive and make riskier passes. CP3 is an extremely conservative player-- sometimes to the detriment of his team.

 

[ISO]

CP3 minimizes turnovers by holding the ball. That's the been the narrative surrounding his style of play his entire career. He's very conscious of those kinds of numbers. That's part of why he's never been known as a scorer. He won't shoot unless it's absolutely a high % shot for him. He won't pass unless he's confident it'll absolutely lead to a made bucket. Facilitators like Bron and Russ are more aggressive and make riskier passes. CP3 is an extremely conservative player-- sometimes to the detriment of his team.

Westbrook has been a bigger detriment to his teams by being an extremely liberal player

Bron and Russ shouldn’t even be in the same convo. Bron looks for high % shots for himself and teammates. He makes risky reads and flashy passes that lead to TO’s at times. Very different from Westbrook’s complete disregard for shot clock and situational awareness and game limitations. He often does things he has no business doing.

 

[KillerB88]

Westbrook has been a bigger detriment to his teams by being an extremely liberal player

Bron and Russ shouldn’t even be in the same convo. Bron looks for high % shots for himself and teammates. He makes risky reads and flashy passes that lead to TO’s at times. Very different from Westbrook’s complete disregard for shot clock and situational awareness and game limitations. He often does things he has no business doing.

You're just saying things now. Prior to playing along fellow high usage teammate James Harden, Russ led the league in potential assists and open shots created in several seasons.