Jesus proven not to be the messiah

[Bugzbunny129]

My boy is a yamakha wearing jew

He told me jews know they killed their messiah. But wont admit it oit loud to anyone. In private they know.

And now he prays to jesus.

Hallelujah

 

[The Realist Perspective]

Daniel’s messianic timeline (Daniel 9 : 24-27) and how the New-Testament record lines up, stated plainly:

1. Text of the prophecy (literal features)
   • “Seventy weeks” (= 70 × 7 heptads of years = 490 years) decreed to finish sin, atone, and anoint the Most Holy.
   • Clock starts with “the going-forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem.”
   • After 7 weeks + 62 weeks (69 × 7 = 483 years) “Messiah shall be cut off and have nothing.”
   • “The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.”
   • In the middle of the seventieth week he “causes sacrifice and offering to cease.”
   • End marked by desolation poured out on the defiled temple area.
2. Historical anchors
   • Decree options: Persian imperial edicts concerning Jerusalem rebuilding—most analysts use Artaxerxes I’s order to Ezra in 457 BC (Ezra 7) or to Nehemiah in 445 BC (Neh 2).
   • 483-year count:
     • 457 BC + 483 = AD 27 (start of Jesus’ public ministry).
     • 445 BC + 483 = AD 39; using prophetic 360-day “years” shifts this to about AD 32–33 (year of crucifixion).
   • “Cut off”: Jesus executed at Passover, AD 30–33, “not for himself” (substitutionary atonement theme).
   • “Middle of the week”: about 3½ years after ministry start, matching the crucifixion point inside the 70th heptad; veil torn (Matt 27 : 51) signals the sacrificial system’s theological invalidation.
   • Temple destroyed: Titus’ Roman legions razed Jerusalem and the Second Temple in AD 70, exactly fulfilling “the people of the prince… destroy the city and the sanctuary.”
3. Other Daniel passages Jesus applied to himself
   • Daniel 7 : 13-14 “Son of Man” receiving everlasting dominion → Jesus quotes this of himself at his trial (Mark 14 : 62).
   • Daniel 2 : 44-45 kingdom “cut from a mountain without hands” that crushes all empires → Jesus’ preaching of the arriving kingdom of God (Mark 1 : 15) and his statement that the kingdom is not from this world (John 18 : 36).
4. Result
   • The sequence—Persian decree → 483 years → public appearance and death of Jesus → Roman destruction of the Second Temple—is a straight, literal match to Daniel’s schedule, meeting the prophecy’s criteria without gaps or allegorical adjustments.

I appreciate the thoroughness, but Daniel gives a clear timeline. 490 years for God to deal with sin, bring in righteousness, and fix the temple. But if we’re being real, that didn’t happen. Sin didn’t end, righteousness didn’t flood the earth, and the temple got destroyed, not restored. And according to Deuteronomy 18:22, if a prophet says something’s going to happen and it doesn’t, they weren’t speaking from God. That’s not me making up a rule, that’s straight from the text, and one I feel is important to lean on when reading any prophecy in the Bible. If you’ve got to twist the numbers, turn everything into vague symbolism, or push the last part into some undefined future, you’re not reading it straight. You’re just trying to make it work.

 

[Shabazz]

I appreciate the thoroughness, but Daniel gives a clear timeline. 490 years for God to deal with sin, bring in righteousness, and fix the temple. But if we’re being real, that didn’t happen. Sin didn’t end, righteousness didn’t flood the earth, and the temple got destroyed, not restored. And according to Deuteronomy 18:22, if a prophet says something’s going to happen and it doesn’t, they weren’t speaking from God. That’s not me making up a rule, that’s straight from the text, and one I feel is important to lean on when reading any prophecy in the Bible. If you’ve got to twist the numbers, turn everything into vague symbolism, or push the last part into some undefined future, you’re not reading it straight. You’re just trying to make it work.

So the jews never get their messiah?

 

[Yaboysix]

Didn't Read...

But they say that the powers that be are always on the look out for the "Black Messiah"... he's Born every couple years and they murk him before he can make any big influences...this was told by guys who retired from that life .

I always thought that was interesting.

 

[Dre Space Age]

*throws out 1 star like a ninja*

*throws smoke bomb down, leaves*

 

[Reflected]

Just ask ChatGPT for the counterarguments and validity and strength of them, idiot.


Dumbasses using chatgpt and asking people to argue points of it, not realizing how a fukking LLM works... WILD.

 

[Reflected]

And how lazy, using this as the basis of an argument, then asking people to type original responses. When he could have had socratic dialogue on the subject.

Either way, its an LLM, you brainlet. Understand that first before interacting with it.

 

[Turk]

OP you're not going to get a clear answer from Christians. They'll tell you Jesus was the Messiah while juelzing the reasons why he didn't fulfill the messianic requirements. The messianic requirements are black and white and Jesus didn't fulfill them. It's objectively clear but Christian mental gymnastics will never admit that

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Read the Gospels, man. They all talk about the same stuff, but they don’t line up exactly with each one giving a different angle. The resurrection stories especially? Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John all have different details, and some stuff is straight up left out or added depending on who’s writing.

All four Gospels say Jesus rose, but the details don’t line up cleanly. In Mark, a few women find the tomb empty, a guy in white tells them Jesus is alive, and they freak out and bail. Jesus doesn’t even show up in the earliest version. Matthew adds an earthquake, an angel rolling the stone away, and Jesus showing up to the women and later the disciples in Galilee. Luke has a group of women, two angels at the tomb, and Jesus showing up later to two guys on the road and then the disciples, all around Jerusalem but no Galilee. John is all about Mary Magdalene. She finds the tomb empty, sees two angels, then actually talks to Jesus. Later, He appears to the disciples in Jerusalem, and it’s the only Gospel with the whole “Doubting Thomas” scene.

The same core event, but the who, what, and where? All over the place. You gotta read them side by side to catch it. So yeah, it’s all over the place when you really study it. And you have to ask, just why is that?

Yeah the details gonna line be different because people are not robots. Of course multiple people are gonna give more or less details if you ask them "what happened"

 

[The Realist Perspective]

So the jews never get their messiah?

My honest take? All of the prophecies, the major ones in the OT & NT have failed, due to the constrict time guidelines they enforced on themselves.

OT, is the one we’re discussing.
NT, Jesus said before this generation passes all these things would happen. Didn’t happen.

Two major prophesies. Failed. And I’m gonna quote Deuteronomy 18:12 until I get it through. Something is not right.

 

[The Realist Perspective]

And how lazy, using this as the basis of an argument, then asking people to type original responses. When he could have had socratic dialogue on the subject.

Either way, its an LLM, you brainlet. Understand that first before interacting with it.

Hey fakkit. The scriptures were provided. Argue with them not me nor ChatGpt, homo.

 

[MikelArteta]

Prophet of baal

 

[MMS]

OP you're not going to get a clear answer from Christians. They'll tell you Jesus was the Messiah while juelzing the reasons why he didn't fulfill the messianic requirements. The messianic requirements are black and white and Jesus didn't fulfill them. It's objectively clear but Christian mental gymnastics will never admit that

Isaiah 41:8 Hebrew Text Analysis

Genesis 29:14 Hebrew Text Analysis

 

[010101]

ALL NONSENSE..........*

 

[The Realist Perspective]

Yeah the details gonna line be different because people are not robots. Of course multiple people are gonna give more or less details if you ask them "what happened"

So who’s right? The thing is John is the most heavy hitter when it comes to the foundations of modern Christianity. The trinity, Jesus outright saying he’s the messiah, he doesn’t do it anywhere else, and John is the guy got the days and nights wrong of his death and resurrection?

This doesn’t bother you?