Jesus proven not to be the messiah

[MMS]

Psalm 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

according to the Bible we know there is a divine council in heaven. A GOD among gods.

The first GOD is אֱלֹהִים . The lower tiered Gods are still called אֱלֹהִים

The same אֱלֹהִים we see in Genesis 1:1.

Do you know all of the personal names of the divine council?

if you parse through the psalms and proverbs and just place "adonai" or "baal" everywhere it says "LORD" it could read as plagiarized canaanite prayers

by default: the tribes associated with Rachel only came to be because Leah (Wild Cow) took mandrakes from Rachel (Female Goat)....and cows eat only the grass but not the roots but goats eat the roots...

thats why Moses told the spies to see if the land of canaan were like settlements or strongholds referencing animal pens.

elohim loosely translates to "creator" so how many creators dont bite themselves if you take the scrolls of the tanakh and wind them upon themselves? This is why the "Explicit Name" Elohim is the only name with power. IE "The Name" Your God, "The Name" Our God, "The Name" My God etc etc

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-language-of-god-good-lecture.1009400/page-10#post-53034252

this is why the scrolls are separate but in an english bible (book form) the pages are lain on top of eachother with no respect to the mysticism.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

So who’s right? The thing is John is the most heavy hitter when it comes to the foundations of modern Christianity. The trinity, Jesus outright saying he’s the messiah, he doesn’t do it anywhere else, and John is the guy got the days and nights wrong of his death and resurrection?

This doesn’t bother you?

They are all right. You act like the different accounts are telling different stories. The trinity ain't no where in the bible. John didn't get anything wrong either.

Jesus is the Messiah. He's the one that will come back to save Israel. I don't understand your problem with any of this

 

[The Realist Perspective]

They are all right. You act like the different accounts are telling different stories. The trinity ain't no where in the bible. John didn't get anything wrong either.

Jesus is the Messiah. He's the one that will come back to save Israel. I don't understand your problem with any of this

So basically all you’re doing is saying “nuh uh” once I point you out contradictions and things that just don’t make sense. That’s my problem with you in particular.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

So basically all you’re doing is saying “nuh uh” once I point you out contradictions and things that just don’t make sense. That’s my problem with you in particular.

I'm crushing those trash ass arguments. You started using buzz words like Trinity, which is NO WHERE in the bible. I showed you the actual order according to the holy scriptures. So once again, nice try.

I can watch the same boxing match on 3 different tv broadcasts. All 3 boxing commentators are not going to say word for word the same shyt

 

[JoelB]

if you parse through the psalms and proverbs and just place "adonai" or "baal" everywhere it says "LORD" it could read as plagiarized canaanite prayers

by default: the tribes associated with Rachel only came to be because Leah (Wild Cow) took mandrakes from Rachel (Female Goat)....and cows eat only the grass but not the roots but goats eat the roots...

thats why Moses told the spies to see if the land of canaan were like settlements or strongholds referencing animal pens.

elohim loosely translates to "creator" so how many creators dont bite themselves if you take the scrolls of the tanakh and wind them upon themselves? This is why the "Explicit Name" Elohim is the only name with power. IE "The Name" Your God, "The Name" Our God, "The Name" My God etc etc

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-language-of-god-good-lecture.1009400/page-10#post-53034252

this is why the scrolls are separate but in an english bible (book) form the pages are lain on top of eachother with no respect to the mysticism.

1. Cite your sources for this 'plagiarism'. Ba'al just means Lord or Master. No different than the word 'Adonai' in Hebrew. Shared Semetic vocabulary does not equal plagiarism.

2. אֱלֹהִים or Elohim is not the personal name of TMH lmao. Its an indicator of status/power which is why we see Elohim in Genesis 1:1 and HUMAN BEINGS being called Elohim in Exodus. They were the judges Ex 21:6. You are conflating the Tetragamaton (YHWH) with Elohim

Exodus 3:15 says YHWH is the Elohim of isreal. That is the name Israel will call him through the generations.

3. Your Rachel and Leah allegory is more unsubstantiated esoterism that orginates from the mind of @MMS . Dont get too deep that you drown yourself brother.

 

[MMS]

1. Cite your sources for this 'plagiarism'. Ba'al just means Lord or Master. No different than the word 'Adonai' in Hebrew. Shared Semetic vocabulary does not equal plagiarism.

2. אֱלֹהִים or Elohim is not the personal name of TMH lmao. Its an indicator of status/power which is why we see Elohim in Genesis 1:1 and HUMAN BEINGS being called Elohim in Exodus. They were the judges Ex 21:6. You are conflating the Tetragamaton (YHWH) with Elohim

Exodus 3:15 says YHWH is the Elohim of isreal. That is the name Israel will call him through the generations.

3. Your Rachel and Leah allegory is more unsubstantiated esoterism that orginates from the mind of @MMS . Dont get too deep that you drown yourself brother.

Its just an idea

consider everything past Saul

he gave "Michal" to David so that the "Hand of the Philistines" would be against him, and the greeks associate "son of david" with who they believe the messiah is

because ultimately the battle of David and Goliath is about life and death from the eyes of the philistines and that the previous king avoided the conflict

and also that David defeated Goliath not with a sword (think Joshua/Shamgar/Jesus) nor with a spear (think Cain) but with a sling and stones and the statement "...But I come to you in the name of the LORD of Hosts whose armies you have defied"

and Rachel and Leah is not unsubstantiated. Jacob struggled with God himself and was blessed. So his story is that important. He survives his dream (at bethel), he is "tricked" by Laban (white) into marrying Leah instead of Rachel whom he believed was more beautiful and he survives his brother who is enslaved by Canaanite wives then manages to go to Egypt where his son becomes governor. So he establishes the nature of dreams, procreation and food with one story

whereas all the downstream characters are not like him nor ever will be thats why David refers to all readers of his texts as sons of israel rather than sons of David...because in hebrew David means destroyer. This is also why his first sons he is at odds with and in fear of.

 

[Uachet]

I don't believe in any of the over 4k religions on this planet, but I also understand that there are those who do believe in them. You are not going to get people to lay aside their religious belief with logic, because logic plays no part in religion. So, really the best you can do is seek to maintain religious freedom, including the freedom to be free from any religion. Leave them to their belief systems, because some quite frankly need it to operate in this world of uncertainty.

While I agree that religion is used to control, I also see that it is used to bring together too. To give people something to believe in, that gives them something to align with each other over. Some of us do not need that, but many of us do. So, the best thing to do is to let them be, if they let you be.

 

[mson]

I don't believe in any of the over 4k religions on this planet, but I also understand that there are those who do believe in them. You are not going to get people to lay aside their religious belief with logic, because logic plays no part in religion. So, really the best you can do is seek to maintain religious freedom, including the freedom to be free from any religion. Leave them to their belief systems, because some quite frankly need it to operate in this world of uncertainty.

While I agree that religion is used to control, I also see that it is used to bring together too. To give people something to believe in, that gives them something to align with each other over. Some of us do not need that, but many of us do. So, the best thing to do is to let them be, if they let you be.

Well put.

 

[MMS]

I don't believe in any of the over 4k religions on this planet, but I also understand that there are those who do believe in them. You are not going to get people to lay aside their religious belief with logic, because logic plays no part in religion. So, really the best you can do is seek to maintain religious freedom, including the freedom to be free from any religion. Leave them to their belief systems, because some quite frankly need it to operate in this world of uncertainty.

While I agree that religion is used to control, I also see that it is used to bring together too. To give people something to believe in, that gives them something to align with each other over. Some of us do not need that, but many of us do. So, the best thing to do is to let them be, if they let you be.

What if before the Abrahamic religions arose, religion really did control people?

and that religion from the Abrahamic faith is literally about freedom? if you are what you eat...does that mean food becomes your master?

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 16:11-13 - King James Version

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God. And it came to pass, that at even the quails came...

www.biblegateway.com

imagine a world where you had to make offerings to local deities everywhere you went and if you didnt you could be persecuted?

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 23:1-11 - King James Version

And Balaam said unto Balak, Build me here seven altars, and prepare me here seven oxen and seven rams. And Balak did as Balaam had spoken; and Balak and Balaam offered on every altar a bullock and a ram. And Balaam said unto Balak, Stand by thy burnt offering, and I will go: peradventure the...

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20:24 - King James Version

An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Fillerguy]

Sometimes I wonder if the fundies ever challenge their bible stances by having AI critic it.
Just plug and paste these responses and see what it says.

 

[MMS]

Sometimes I wonder if the fundies ever challenge their bible stances by having AI critic it.
Just plug and paste these responses and see what it says.

be the first to do it

 

[JoelB]

Its just an idea

consider everything past Saul

he gave "Michal" to David so that the "Hand of the Philistines" would be against him, and the greeks associate "son of david" with who they believe the messiah is

because ultimately the battle of David and Goliath is about life and death from the eyes of the philistines and that the previous king avoided the conflict

and also that David defeated Goliath not with a sword (think Joshua/Shamgar/Jesus) nor with a spear (think Cain) but with a sling and stones and the statement "...But I come to you in the name of the LORD of Hosts whose armies you have defied"

and Rachel and Leah is not unsubstantiated. Jacob struggled with God himself and was blessed. So his story is that important. He survives his dream (at bethel), he is "tricked" by Laban (white) into marrying Leah instead of Rachel whom he believed was more beautiful and he survives his brother who is enslaved by Canaanite wives then manages to go to Egypt where his son becomes governor. So he establishes the nature of dreams, procreation and food with one story

whereas all the downstream characters are not like him nor ever will be thats why David refers to all readers of his texts as sons of israel rather than sons of David...because in hebrew David means destroyer. This is also why his first sons he is at odds with and in fear of.

Brehda, here’s why I cant consider your breakdowns. They are creative but under textual and lingustic scrutiny they crumble pretty easily

For instance...u say David in Hebrew means “destroyer.” That’s just not true. U cant just make a claim and not expect anyone to check it. u know me too well for that lol

David (דָּוִד) comes from the root דּוֹד (dod), which means “beloved”...not destroyer. That’s why he’s known as 'the man after God’s own heart'.

the phrase 'sons of Israel' is used because Israel is the one YHWH made a covenant with. Its why the entire nation is called Israelites/Tribes of Israel.

'Son of David' is a royal messianic title. Both are positive titles but are used differently.

 

[JoelB]

Sometimes I wonder if the fundies ever challenge their bible stances by having AI critic it.
Just plug and paste these responses and see what it says.

It would shorten alot of the back n forth, if nothing else. Do it and see what it says

 

[Uachet]

What if before the Abrahamic religions arose, religion really did control people?

and that religion from the Abrahamic faith is literally about freedom? if you are what you eat...does that mean food becomes your master?

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 16:11-13 - King James Version

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God. And it came to pass, that at even the quails came...

www.biblegateway.com

imagine a world where you had to make offerings to local deities everywhere you went and if you didnt you could be persecuted?

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 23:1-11 - King James Version

And Balaam said unto Balak, Build me here seven altars, and prepare me here seven oxen and seven rams. And Balak did as Balaam had spoken; and Balak and Balaam offered on every altar a bullock and a ram. And Balaam said unto Balak, Stand by thy burnt offering, and I will go: peradventure the...

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20:24 - King James Version

An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

www.biblegateway.com

If you believe this, then so be it. I was raised in the Abrahamic religion, Christianity, and I disagree. Still, I only ask of you that you let me be, like I let you be. Can you do that? Your response to me seems you are incapable of it. You seem to have some need to convince me of the validity of your belief. Well, I will tell you right now, you are wasting time in that effort.

 

[The Realist Perspective]

I'm crushing those trash ass arguments. You started using buzz words like Trinity, which is NO WHERE in the bible. I showed you the actual order according to the holy scriptures. So once again, nice try.

I can watch the same boxing match on 3 different tv broadcasts. All 3 boxing commentators are not going to say word for word the same shyt

We’re talking a difference in a boxer getting knocked out in round 3 rather than round 4 type difference if you wanna go there.