Joey B vs. Don Tha Con: Battle For The Soul Of America - 2020 Presidential Debate in Cleveland, OH

[King Kreole]

I think he did ok. My biggest problem was that I wish he didn't engage with Trump so much. He did a great job at making it about the American people when talking about COVID and the taxes.

But after he told him to shut up, he shouldn't have continued to engage and do more to make it about the American people.

Yeah, I think he would have fared better if he just stopped engaging with this shambolic debate once Trump showed he was just out to hack the process. Should have just ignored Trump and turned to Wallace and said he won't continue this sham unless you do something about this buffoon.

 

[King Kreole]

I wish that was true. He ran over Hillary because women can’t snap back at him with being called bytchy.

It's true that Hillary was hemmed in by misogynistic sentiments, but I think Warren learned from what happened to Hillary, which is why she was gutting dudes during the primary debate. She had the biggest snap backs of anyone.

 

[TheGodling]

I wish that was true. He ran over Hillary because women can’t snap back at him with being called bytchy.

 

[Ku$h Parker]

Undecided voters are a joke

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

 

[jj23]

Y’all gotta really consider that Biden saying he has a stutter saved his campaign. He basically bought himself another battery pack for his phone with that.

Collate tu pinche boca

 

[Hood Critic]

Collate tu pinche boca

 

[Cave Savage]

Obamas support in 2012 was a peak since '96 Clinton, mid 60s seems the be the natural number for latino Dem support. Hillary at this time may have been 71% but she dropped to 66% Are you projecting Biden will drop to high 50s? Republicans get mid-high 20s which is where Trump is. What is the panic about?

Biden is doing solid with hispanics. NOT GREAT, but solid. The reason Hillary lost was not because of Latino or black people. She is a white woman that couldnt turn out the white women voters (45%) and 54% for women overall

2-12

Biden is far exceeding Clinton with the female vote while Trumps numbers with male voters is the same as 2016. Biden just has to get them to the polls.

from 9/27:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0ef678-ff7f-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html



Hispanic vote is important but there are more white women in this country than black and latino people combined. When their numbers sway that much, its a huge force.

I've seen right wing talking heads on twitter mention that Trump's gain with Hispanics is not enough to make up for his loss with whites. Not saying that Biden shouldn't try to do better with Latinos (of course he should), but a 5% increase among whites is more valuable than that same percentage among any other ethnic group. Especially when Hillary lost in many mostly white states like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

 

[Slim]

Cheeto is getting KILLED on the Hunter Biden shyt as expected...

Joe scored BIG when he mentioned Hunter suffered from drug addiction...

The failure to condemn white supremacist has captured the headlines but this deserves some attention and I hope more outlets echo it.

Trump trying to shame a drug addict, as the country continues to be ravaged by addiction. Biden for basically saying drug addicts are no less worthy and that he loves and is proud of him.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Was reading debate reviews this morning and somebody called Trump an adult Eric Cartman...

@ the accuracy...

Naw real shyt that was my thought too

 

[Dynamite James]

 

[The Bilingual Gringo]

It's just amazing to hear that Trump will say anything to appease, get through the subject, or just offer an empty promise.

The seriousness of race issues aside, the billion tree comment left me befuddled last night. Had to google and found this: Is the U.S. Really Planting a Billion Trees, as Trump Said?

 

[TheNig]

No one who likes Trump cares. And that’s the problem.

y’all are almost too rational about what Trumps appeal is.

We know exactly what the appeal is. The problem is this has been the most unconventional presidency in 45 years. We haven't seen this level of arrogance since Nixon but we've never seen this level of stupidity.

People like to clown Ford and Dub but this is by far the worst.

 

[Fctftl]

Biden won the debate. Even pro Trump forums say Biden performed better than expected. It’s over for Trump. Biden should cancel the remaining debates but allow the VP one.

Kamala's a pro at questioning and grilling people. Can't wait to watch her make Pence lose his shyt

 

[88m3]

First off, no, it is extraordinarily unlikely that getting rid of small cities/towns will improve our environmental situation, in fact quite the opposite unless you're about to go full buy-in on socialism. The flood of people from rural places to urban ones has been associated with severe environmental degradation, as corporations tend to take over the land that families and small landowners leave behind and then totally fukk it over.

This is an article a friend of mine from Oregon sent me some time back. It shows how the forests in western Oregon have been absolutely wrecked by corporate control and the death of all the little towns that used to prosper in those regions.

Big money bought the forests. Small timber communities are paying the price

How are you going to solve that issue without shifting massive tracks of land from private control to public? The profiteers don't want to give it up, so are you just going to have a massive confiscation of land? How will that work?

And the issue I was speaking of with forest encroachment isn't small towns. The small towns that have been there forever aren't encroaching on the forest. Rural communities are shrinking, not growing. The issue is individual landowners, often wealthy people who don't even live out there full-time, buying up properties in the middle of nowhere and putting summer homes and shyt on them. It's the 2nd homes or the retirement homes of people who don't live off the land but want some beautiful spot to chill and take their friends to. Those are the people who ain't going to let no prescribed burn happen anywhere near their property and threaten their forest mini-mansion.

How are you going to stop people like that? Especially when both the liberals and conservatives are doing it - hell, wealthy old Democrats are probably MORE likely to be moving into those granola homes than Republicans are, that shyt has been turning Montana blue. How are you going to get the Republicans and Dems both to go after their own fundraisers and power brokers?

Really? I'm not sure about the term "full buy-in on socialism" seems a bit loaded. I think the feds and state expanding their lands for this is both necessary and reasonable maybe that's "full buy-in on socialism". It would also be a much better use of government largess than say building a wall on the border and eminent domain cases there imho. Historically sure Industrialization/The Great Migration if we're talking about previous centuries weren't great for the environment but it's not that simple and you know that. That's like saying Manifest Destiny/Westward Expansion was good for the environment because people moved to more rural places. The recent Great Recession saw people return to cities and make improvements in renewable resources, energy efficiency, and sustainability for what it's worth. Obviously that didn't happen in a vacuum either.

Unquestionably but I'm not arguing for more corporate control. In NY there are massive tracts of land that under various forms of public control and conservation, and it should be encouraged to get climate change and pollution under control as necessary. As far as the mechanisms it's happened countless times it should be equitable and just.

Can go into the later more at another time