Keith Watson exposes Dame Dash - Reveals the REAL reason why Jay was made president of Def Jam *WOW*

[Big Jo]

Its 2015, getting any type of buzz is priceless.

everybody gets a quick buzz in 2015. it doesnt really mean anything.

 

[Mike Otherz]

we need a movie about all this. should have been a godfather level type film about rap music industry fukkery by now. why hasnt it happened. basically its capitalism 101. nikkaz getting exploited, exhtorted, and played out. i guess jay deserves props cause this one time the artist collected his money. most of the time, these cats is penniless after the machinations are made.

 

[Mike Otherz]

having said all that, def jam/universal owed jay all that money, but why was dame and biggs still frozen out by jay? dont sound like they did anything snakey to him. this seems in hindsight, more of a power move on jays part, than any exposing of dame/biggs. they did right by dude.

 

[No1]

So how am I off with my story, can anyone dispute that Dame could have had Roc-a-Fella for the Reasonable Doubt masters?

Def Jam owned 100% of Rocafella after Jay, Dame and Biggs sold off the name when they (and Def Jam) dissolved their partnership. They purchased the remaining rights to the name for 10 million.Your own article says that.

 

[Suicide King]

having said all that, def jam/universal owed jay all that money, but why was dame and biggs still frozen out by jay? dont sound like they did anything snakey to him. this seems in hindsight, more of a power move on jays part, than any exposing of dame/biggs. they did right by dude.

Jay wanted to do his own thing. There is nothing wrong with that, its business.

Def Jam owned 100% of Rocafella after Jay, Dame and Biggs sold off the name when they (and Def Jam) dissolved their partnership. They purchased the remaining rights to the name for 10 million.Your own article says that.

Jay offered Dame and Biggs Roc-a-Fella and all he wanted in return was the masters to Reasonable Doubt. Is that untrue?

 

[Mike Otherz]

add this to interscope paying 50 Cent $23 million after his audit just before he left, these companies be owing artists breh. 50 was with them for what? over 10 years and that was money that they hadnt paid him. i wonder how much they owe eminem

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

even in Def JAm owed 50 percent ... dame/jay/biggs had 16.66 each.. So if DJ gave jay 50% his total would be 66.66% which is 2/3... Dame and Biggs has 1/3 between the 2 of them ..thats no say at all...

Jay said plenty of times he doesnt care about the money .. its the masters he wants because thats money for life..DAme refused because he wanted that money... getting paid 3 mil a year and owning your masters is worth FAR MORE than 68 million

 

[jilla82]

People that were impressed w/ that Dame Dash interview must have never read any book…or saw Office Space/Fight Club…lol.

Cant wrap my head around folks that were acting like he was talking a bunch of revolutionary shyt.

 

[JayGatsby]

That's why being that majority holder is so crucial

Them 51 "percenters "

Coz when shyt hits the fan

 

[pete clemenza]

Dame is a guy who is a hustler. He hustles to get money and he hustles people to make his point of view profitable. Therefore, he will always be right and on the other side of the spectrum, he will always be full of shyt to some degree. Dame is clearly bitter about the way everything turned out. He lost a substantial amount of power, wealth, status and credibility over the span of a decade.

I agree with Dame about being your own boss, but I disagree with him belittling people who work for a living. Everybody cannot be a boss because everybody isn't equipped with the mental capability to delegate operations and maintain a company. Some people are better suited to work and others are better suited to lead. Everyone must play their role and stay in their lane until the right time to make the move is at hand.

I didn't listen to the interview....I'm not going to listen to another man speak on Damon Dash for an hour in 2015. There's nothing relevant about Dame in 2015. What he did with Rocafella is legendary but that's in the past. He's only in the news for contreversy, begging, pandering and slandering in one form or another. There have been times when he drops gems, but these are gems i've been putting into practice and are apart of my life so i don't need a nikka who had it, telling me how to get it..

Dame should've reinvented himself years ago. Nicca still think he's in Def Jam offices screaming at Kevin Lyles and his interns. I said the same sh*t about Suge Knight years back too.. Reinvent Yourself

 

[Suicide King]

Dame should've reinvented himself years ago. Nicca still think he's in Def Jam offices screaming at Kevin Lyles and his interns. I said the same sh*t about Suge Knight years back too.. Reinvent Yourself

He needs focus.

When you hear him talk, you can see his is all over the place, because he is practicing too many religions at one time.

 

[sporticus]

Dame looks bad but this is 100% revisionist and not true.

2. Jay never suffered any scorn or ridicule EVER. He got more popular after the Roc broke up. All of the Rocafella artists sided with him. And everyone has assumed Dame was broke since 2004 anyways. The only "scorn and ridicule" was here in The Coli (admittedly from myself and others)

Dame tried to do what people who are clearly in the wrong always do, they try ruin your credibility with the everyday people, hardcore fans, working class. They took the L to anyone with common sense, but if they can frame it like you did something wrong to the culture or you sold out your people, they can get at you. Mike Epps is trying to do it to Kevin Hart, marginalizing his success because he's not "real" or he's not true. Dame tried to do it to Jay by acting as though they had some sort of family ties and that Jay shouldn't have made a sound business decision. He made it out like he was a traitor and a corporate kiss-ass.

Sure Jay got more popular to the world at large, but that type of thing did have an effect with the fanbase I mentioned. It was more than just on a single message board. It was enough that Jay felt the need to address it.

3. Dame didn't speak on Jay at all for 10 years, he just popped up in the last 18 months on Combat Jack and other shyt and still hasn't aired Jigga out at all really. But he has targetted the people that Jay was around

Your post is a reach. Hov is clearly the winner, no reason to make him a victim

But Dame still tried.

Jay could've easily put this info out there and shut him down, but he didn't. With the stuff that was known, it still never made me think he did anything other than make sound business decisions, but alot of people bought into that sellout story.

Dame's still throwing subtle shots too. Like that instagram post about how he stills owns part of Reasonable Doubt. Or someone speaking on how Jay is all corporate now and playing into the narrative.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

even in Def JAm owed 50 percent ... dame/jay/biggs had 16.66 each.. So if DJ gave jay 50% his total would be 66.66% which is 2/3... Dame and Biggs has 1/3 between the 2 of them ..thats no say at all...

Jay said plenty of times he doesnt care about the money .. its the masters he wants because thats money for life..DAme refused because he wanted that money... getting paid 3 mil a year and owning your masters is worth FAR MORE than 68 million

the master's of Reasonable Doubt are not worth no 68 million Did you graduate from Dame Dummy business school?

The masters dispute was a simple case of black man pride. Dame Dummy didn't want to give Camel what he craved the most. The end.

 

[Still Benefited]

we need a movie about all this. should have been a godfather level type film about rap music industry fukkery by now. why hasnt it happened. basically its capitalism 101. nikkaz getting exploited, exhtorted, and played out. i guess jay deserves props cause this one time the artist collected his money. most of the time, these cats is penniless after the machinations are made.

This shyt would be the hiphop version of Paid in Full breh.....Jay is obviously Ace,Dame was Rico who was ready to make an example out of anybody who came at Ace sideways or take advantage of the roc empire they built...Dame said Jay said to him "I want to be a businessman,and look like a business man but I cant with you around".....Im sure Dames pitbull methods helped Rocafella in the boardrooms and kept Jay from having to get his hands dirty....but Jay was smart enough to know its not a good idea to just burn bridges over a disagreement or business you cant agree on right NOW....cuz you never know when you could do business with that person later or might need that person later....Jay had no choice but to cut himself lose from Dame and Biggs to max out his full potential and not get caught up....Jay even leaves them everything like Ace did,look at Hov now....Well he wouldn't leave that RD masters

Supposedly its similar to Casino too,but ive never seen the whole thing so I don't know.

I didn't like the way Jay left if it went down like that,seemed like it was some behind the back things going on to divide and conquer....he wouldn't be where he is today without Dame,but at the same time he wouldn't be where he is today WITH Dame

"Ironically, Def Jam co-founder Simmons describes Dash as a “visionary” in the article and attributes the careers of three of the most popular rappers of the last 15 years to Dash’s magnanimous work ethic:
Without Damon, there would have been no Jay-Z or Kanye or Cam’ron and no Roc-A-Fella. What he did for Jay and everyone, he was selfless. He took the bullets"

The Dynasty forever yall.

 

[Suicide King]

the master's of Reasonable Doubt are not worth no 68 million Did you graduate from Dame Dummy business school?

The masters dispute was a simple case of black man pride. Dame Dummy didn't want to give Camel what he craved the most. The end.

I was not pride. Dame was very short sighted and did not put it past him. But can you really blame Dame for thinking Jay-Z would have stayed with them?

Its December 2004.

Dame did not think Jay-Z would sell his stake in Roc-a-Fella and walk away. This is probably why he didn't take Jay-Z's percentage for the masters to Reasonable Doubt.

Dame and Biggs didn't sell until Jay-Z sold his stake.

Very bad gamble.

FYI Reasonable Doubt was released on Priority Records, so Def Jam had no rights to those masters.