Kobe's 10 Greatest Playoff Games

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Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant vs. LeBron James: Who Beat More 60-Win And 50-Win Teams In The NBA Playoffs

I gave you the facts even if you take out the '12 teams from the lockout shortened season that would have won 50 games in a regular year that number is still more ten fukk ya link

 

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I gave you the facts even if you take out the '12 teams from the lockout shortened season that would have won 50 games in a regular year that number is still more ten fukk ya link

10 50 win teams in 17 yrs is pathetic if you make the finals 9x

 

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Perkins went down halfway into the first and it was a six point game, stop it lol...



Losing Perkins schematically changed both how Boston could defend the interior and LA's offensive gameplan. You may not remember the series but that was a huge talking point during the game, after the game, and going in to G7 when it was said Perkins wouldnt play...

Lakers didn't have Bynum or Ariza all of the 2008 Finals and I've never heard Kobe fans use that as an excuse for why we lost.

Its funny how losing Perk for one game has turned into such an excuse.

 

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2009 Nuggets were WAY BETTER than the 2009 Magic.

No. The Magic were just a better match-up for the Lakers because y'all had size to throw at Dwight and the Magic fukked up trying to bring back Jameer Nelson for the Finals. The Nuggets were by no means the better team than the Magic.

The '09 Magic beat the Cavs off Dwight's dominance and the three ball and gamewinning shots for the Cavs those mismatch nightmares like Dwight and Turk/Lewis don't exist for the Nuggets. The Cavs had Varejao on Dwight and Ben Wallace was guarding Rashard Lewis at times. The Nuggets don't have those mismatches.

The series would have went 6 too just like the Nuggets series had Courtney Lee not missed a lay-up at the buzzer...

 

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10 50 win teams in 17 yrs is pathetic if you make the finals 9x

16 will be 20 plus by retirement

 

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Detroit was a 59 win team, 6th in offense, 4th in defense, Sheed/Billups/Rip were All-Stars, they was one of the true contenders that year.

Utah wasn't better than them and my money would be on pedigreed Detroit in a playoff series if I was a betting man and I already know most fans would favor them.

Dwight was already better than everyone on the Jazz in '08.

I'm simply talking as a Lakers fan. To me the Jazz were a tougher opponent than the Magic. FTR I don't really care for this hypothetical. And honestly I was talking more about the 2009 playoffs not 2008.

If you wanna think the Jazz weren't that good then so be it. I think if you put them in the East they win more games and look more formidable. Teams in the West had a tendency to beat each other up.

 

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No. The Magic were just a better match-up for the Lakers because y'all had size to throw at Dwight and the Magic fukked up trying to bring back Jameer Nelson for the Finals. The Nuggets were by no means the better team than the Magic.

The '09 Magic beat the Cavs off Dwight's dominance and the three ball and gamewinning shots for the Cavs those mismatch nightmares like Dwight and Turk/Lewis don't exist for the Nuggets. The Cavs had Varejao on Dwight and Ben Wallace was guarding Rashard Lewis at times. The Nuggets don't have those mismatches.

The series would have went 6 too just like the Nuggets series had Courtney Lee not missed a lay-up at the buzzer...

When you're a fan of a team, you know which teams scare the hell outta you and which ones don't. 2009 Rockets took the Lakers to 7 games. I had zero fear they would ever eliminate the Lakers. Same for the 2009 Magic.

2009 Nuggets scared the hell outta me. Every second of that series was tense until the second half of Game 6. Only true fans of a team can relate to this.

You Bron stans just wanna gas up Orlando cause they beat yall.

 

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When you're a fan of a team, you know which teams scare the hell outta you and which ones don't. 2009 Rockets took the Lakers to 7 games. I had zero fear they would ever eliminate the Lakers. Same for the 2009 Magic.

2009 Nuggets scared the hell outta me. Every second of that series was tense until the second half of Game 6. Only true fans of a team can relate to this.

You Bron stans just wanna gas up Orlando cause they beat yall.

Basically I was illustrating it's a game of matchups.

Denver was a tougher matchup for the Lakers that doesn't mean they were the better team than the Magic. Objectively looking at how their years went and the rosters on paper from players to coaches the Magic are the better team.

 

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Basically I was illustrating it's a game of matchups.

Denver was a tougher matchup for the Lakers that doesn't mean they were the better team than the Magic. Objectively looking at how their years went and the rosters on paper from players to coaches the Magic are the better team.

If you compare the rosters, the 2009 Nuggets had more talent and depth across the board. The only debatable thing is if Dwight was better than Melo at the top. I would take Melo that year over Dwight. Other than that its a clean sweep for the Nuggets. Billups was a way better second option than Jameer Nelson. They also had the far better bench. Also I'll take George Karl over Stan Van Gundy anyday.

Once again you're just gasing them up cause they eliminated Bron.

 

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16 will be 20 plus by retirement

10 teams breh, yr 17

 

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If you compare the rosters, the 2009 Nuggets had more talent and depth across the board. The only debatable thing is if Dwight was better than Melo. Other than that its a clean sweep for the Nuggets. Billups was a way better second option than Jameer Nelson. They also had the far better bench. Also I'll take George Karl over Stan Van Gundy anyday.

Once again you're just gasing them up cause they eliminated Bron.

Ehh.

Dwight was better than Melo he ascended to a level Melo never did and he was always a minus on defense. Jameer Nelson wasn't the Magic's second option he wasn't even there in the playoffs. Rashard Lewis was the second leading scorer and he was a problem and mismatch. Then you have Turkoglu vs. K-Mart. Both teams have good role players (Lee, Redikk, Pietrus, Alston) vs. (J.R., Kleiza, Birdman, D. Jones). The Magic was the better defensive team for sure they were the best on defense that year.

Karl's reputation has taken a hit over the years. I'm not gassing them up I specifically told you the matchups are different they are. The Nuggets as a team don't have any case over the Magic. U are gassing them because they played the Lakers tough for a few games.

Anyway in no way are the Nuggets and Jazz these juggernauts in that era to claim they would definitely make the ECF over teams like the Celtics, Cavs, Magic, Pistons in that '06-'10 stretch which was my main point. Stop that cap. Ain't shyt scary about Utah, good 50 win second round exit team that's all they were.

If the Hawks were in the West y'all would be gassing the shyt out of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith and Al Horford and Jamal Crawford and talking about how they had Mike Bibby and shyt I know you nikkas.

 

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Ehh.

Dwight was better than Melo he ascended to a level Melo never did and he was always a minus on defense. Jameer Nelson wasn't the Magic's second option he wasn't even there in the playoffs. Rashard Lewis was the second leading scorer and he was a problem and mismatch. Then you have Turkoglu vs. K-Mart. Both teams have good role players (Lee, Redikk, Pietrus, Alston) vs. (J.R., Kleiza, Birdman, D. Jones). The Magic was the better defensive team for sure they were the best on defense that year.

Karl's reputation has taken a hit over the years. I'm not gassing them up I specifically told you the matchups are different they are. The Nuggets as a team don't have any case over the Magic. U are gassing them because they played the Lakers tough for a few games.

Anyway in no way are the Nuggets and Jazz these juggernauts in that era to claim they would definitely make the ECF over teams like the Celtics, Cavs, Magic, Pistons in that '06-'10 stretch which was my main point. Stop that cap. Ain't shyt scary about Utah, good 50 win second round exit team that's all they were.

If the Hawks were in the West y'all would be gassing the shyt out of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith and Al Horford and Jamal Crawford and talking about how they had Mike Bibby and shyt I know you nikkas.

Who said anything about the Celtics? When healthy they were an all-time great team. It took everything the Lakers had to beat them just once. Stop trying to imply anybody has tried to diminish them.

FTR we don't need to hype up the West. Its been the more dominant conference since Jordan retired. You are the one who looks dumb trying to downplay the talent out West.

All I know is if you gave any team out West the option of playing in the eastern conference playoffs back then they would accept. And if you gave teams from the East the option of playing in the western conference playoffs they would decline. You know this is just like I do.

 

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Do you think Perk was giving them 13 & 8 in a low scoring G7? Perk never balled in the playoffs, he was just a body that provided toughness. Never a great rebounder or shot blocker. Boston wasn't beating us in G6. We went into Boston knowing we had to steal one & we did.

Just say you don't remember the series or didn't watch it. Are you younger than 21? Anybody who watched that series should remember it well, it wasn't that long ago...

2009 Nuggets were WAY BETTER than the 2009 Magic. Ask any Lakers fan. You're just a Bron stan trying to gas up the team that eliminated him.

I'm a Kobe fan. I found his 2009 Finals to be so-so. He expended so much energy to beat the Nuggets (who were far tougher) that I don't think he quite had his legs under him that series. If you remember watching that Nuggets series, Kobe could barely stand for his postgame interviews with Doris Burke. A more rested Kobe sweeps that sorry Magic squad in 2009. The stats in the 09 Finals look nice but Kobe could have played much better in just about every game that series except for Game 6.

2010 was a different story. Kobe couldn't have played better for 6 of the 7 games. First of all, the 2010 Celtics were worlds better than the 2009 Magic. So you have to take the quality of opponent into account. And Kobe was incredible for 6 of those 7 games. He just played so bad in Game 7 people wanna forget his stellar games before that. In Game 1 he powered the Lakers to victory. In Game 3 he shot poorly but had an incredible all-around game that has to be watched to be appreciated. Then in Games 4 and 5 he was spectacular but they came in losing efforts so most people forget. Oh yeah and he did all of this with an arthritic knee that had to be drained every couple of weeks.

Kobe's 2010 Finals was WAY MORE IMPRESSIVE than his 2009 Finals when you take all of this into account.

nikka why the fukk you keep mentioning LeBron? I don't give a fukk about Orlando beating him in '09. You dudes stay interjecting him into any thread and the other weird cats like yall act like they don't see it and blame it on guys that like LeBron. The conversation I'm having has nothing to do with LeBron...

'09 was probably Kobe's strongest front-to-back playoff run and certainly his strongest front-to-back Finals. The fact that he could have played better is inconsequential to the point that when he played his toughest matchups and opponents in The Finals, he often wasn't at peak performance---->but he was in '09...

The '10 Finals is one of my favorite playoff series ever, I consider it a classic and maybe I have more of an affinity for it than most people. It was impressive that the Lakers climbed out of the 3-2 hole and whoever won G7 would have deserved it, that game was anybody's and it's easy to see how Perk would have been the difference. This isn't a new talking point and was spoken about ad nauseam back then in real time...

Kobe was not incredible for 6 of the 7 '10 Finals and two of his three best games of that Finals came in losing efforts in G4 and G5, in those games he tried to shoot the Lakers to victories and almost did it. He played arguably his two worst games of the series in G6 and G7, though as I said in my earlier post, his tenacity particularly on the boards (for a guy who wasn't typically a dominant rebounder) was impressive, and he played strong defense while looking exhausted...

This is more just a difference of opinion, so I don't have an issue with you saying '10 Finals was more impressive if it's based on resiliency. His quality of play was much better in the '09 Finals though, I really don't see how that's arguable...

All of this just underscores my original point which is a fact, for the most part his best work didn't come in The Finals and a)he's not the only All-Timer that can be said about, and b)but he has to be judged along the same standards of greatness the other GOATs are as well. Kobe had many strengths and positives on his resume, this particular topic isn't one that holds well in comparison to a number of his GOAT competitors, though...

Lakers didn't have Bynum or Ariza all of the 2008 Finals and I've never heard Kobe fans use that as an excuse for why we lost.

Its funny how losing Perk for one game has turned into such an excuse.

I don't think it's an excuse, I just think people realized Perk's absence changed the complexion of the series...

I'm simply talking as a Lakers fan.

You're a Lakers fan now? What happened to "I'm only a fan of players, not teams"?

 

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Just say you don't remember the series or didn't watch it. Are you younger than 21? Anybody who watched that series should remember it well, it wasn't that long ago...

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I WATCHED KOBE PLAY AT LOWER FKN MERION & BEEN FOLLOWING HIM SINCE HS. I'M OG STATUS & I HOOPED IN REAL LIFE SO I KNOW AN ATG TALENT WHEN I SEE ONE BASED ON SKILL & MENTAL TOUGHNESS.

 

[murksiderock]

I WATCHED KOBE PLAY AT LOWER FKN MERION & BEEN FOLLOWING HIM SINCE HS. I'M OG STATUS & I HOOPED IN REAL LIFE SO I KNOW AN ATG TALENT WHEN I SEE ONE BASED ON SKILL & MENTAL TOUGHNESS.

Nobody saying he ain't an All-Timer, we all know that...