Have you looked at PERR, MERR, VORP, MORP, BPM, WIN SHARE, PIE SHARE, RAPTOR AND TYRANNOSAURUS averages before coming to that decision?
Lebron: "For the past 15 years I heard the East was easy and I couldn't do that in the West"
Watch Miami Heat Bron or Cleveland Bron and you'll see the difference. He's a cone defensively now and doesn't have the stamina to play both ends, he can't beat most wings off the dribble anymore, and he hardly plays above the rim unless its a fastbreak. His athleticism has waned significantly.
The West hasn't even had historically great teams during most of his Laker run. In 2020 the Lakers were the best team in the conference and in 2021 they started 21-5 before the season was derailed by injuries. The last two seasons were again marred by injuries but the team wasn't good regardless because of the stupid Westbrook trade. Anyways, the East is better than the West and has been for awhile now. The best and most consistent teams in the league are Milwaukee, Boston, and Philly. The West is a crapshoot, people barely respect the top three seeds and think a team that was just put together (the Suns) are going to win the conference. The Lakers finished one game from the 5th seed and they were trash for 75% of the season.
Fine. So LeBron is a shell of his former shelf. Understood.
The west sucks now and the East is better. So I repeat, are you saying if LeBron was healthy he would have probably made the finals consistently in the current weaker West?
He knows good and damn well he ain't making no damn Finals 9 straight times in the West over his career
Looks like you've ignored my entire post so you can run with a dumb agenda. If you think a 38 year old in his 20th season that could hardly play more than 50 games is not only as good as he was in his prime but should be leading his team to championships, go right ahead.
Just keep that same energy for Jordan, Kobe, and other all-time greats that couldn't sniff the playoffs at the same age
What does Jordan have to do with this thread?Didn't Jordan miss the playoffs at the same age in the weakest conference ever?
But ya'll celebrating Bron finishing one game behind the 5th seed after missing half the season
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2020 was out east in the Orlando Bron bubble though
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FixedThey had the #1 seed and were the best team in the NBA Bubble
murksiderock
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You nikkas might be legit idiots...
LeBron's 15 years out east was in his youth, his absolute peak, his unquestioned prime...
He went west in Y16, age 33 heading to 34. Yet your expectation is that he be able replicate the success he drive when he was in his 20s and early 30s...
He's been out west for 5 years, not six. He's missed the playoffs two years...
Yes I think he had a chance at a Finals in '19 if he doesn't get hurt. '21, the whole team falls apart, ditto for '22 but the team was bad. '22 is the only year I'd feel they weren't a Finals contender regardless of his health because the team was bad. Three of his first four LA years they've been contenders and I'd blame it on his health more than the depth of The West...
Those teams didn't win the title though, so what's your actual point?
I didn't ignore your post. I asked you to give your opinion but you refuse to answer. All you had to say is "I think without injury, Lebron would have made the finals" , Or "No, even if he stayed healthy he probably wasn't going to the finals every year in the West"Looks like you've ignored my entire post so you can run with a dumb agenda. If you think a 38 year old in his 20th season that could hardly play more than 50 games is not only as good as he was in his prime but should be leading his team to championships, go right ahead.
Just keep that same energy for Jordan, Kobe, and other all-time greats that couldn't sniff the playoffs at the same age
That's all.
As a physical athlete, Lebron has no equal. He is much better at this age than MJ or Kobe was, but that wasn't the question I was asking. Yet you deflected from the question to bring their names in, and have the gall to refer to someone having an agenda?
Amazing.
Edit: like @murksiderock answered.
I think you're forgetting one small detail
Lebron is pushing 40 and when he was dominating the East he was in his 20s
HE MADE THAT POST
3 YRS AGO WHEN GIANNIS
WAS GETTING KNOCKED OFF
IN THE 2ND ROUND.
You're asking me why a player in his 20th season is not capable of meeting the standards he set when he was a decade younger and you expect me to take you seriously. Amazing.
And no, you clearly ignored my post. I already said that in 2021 the team was a contender but the season was ruined by injuries and in 2022 the team was trash but the season was still ruined by injuries. What more do you want?
Straw Hat Luffy
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That nikka still in league and is considered top 5 player that’s playing with someone who is considered top ten when playing
You the type of dude to use his age when he’s taking Ls and then turn around to use “and he’s 39!” When he does something good
Nobody got time to argue with your type
1 seed doesn’t matter. Lakers got a very unusual situation with Street Clothes getting 6 months of rest before playing basketball again. Not to mention Street Clothes saw outlier shooting in that fake setting. So yeah, people are right to say that chip holds no weigjt