Low key, how the hell could you like HBK pre DX era?

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The WCW/nWo storyline was basically over when Shawn retired. So nothing that happened after he retired could be said to "beat the WCW/nWo storyline". Austin vs McMahon didn't beat the WCW/nWo storyline. They happened at different times. Austin's run on top competed with the "nWo turns on each other" story throughout 1998.


Fans have turned on The Rock way more times than they ever went against HBK as a babyface (that one night at SS basically). What are we to make of that?
After the Rock got SUPER OVER? No they didn't turn on the Rock more than when Shawn came back...they were chanting YOU SCREWED Bret at Shawn during a damn Edge promo:laugh: They cheered Benoit over him:laugh: They cheered Hornswoggle over him in NEW YORK CITY:laugh: The Rock dealt with some heat for leaving for Hollywood in 2002 and being in Toronto but that was the extent of that and by 2008, they were BEGGING FOR THE ROCK to come back at the Hall of Fame while Shawn, Austin, Cripple H, Batista, Cena, Vince, Stephanie, Shane..were all out there to witness it. And when has Shawn ever outpoped Austin and Hogan in the same fukking segment like Rock did at WM XXX? lol. Never. Ever. Would never and could never happen.

Fans can turn on the Rock a MILLION times..they'll still sold out arenas for him during that shyt. That's why boos are a joke to someone like him and he'll smirk and laugh. Because he's ending the year with at least $15 million in his pocket.
 

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So let me try and follow your argument.

Bringing in Rock for WM 27 is evidence that neither participant in the main event (Cena, Miz) could draw. So in order to be logically consistent, them bringing in Tyson for WM 14 is evidence that neither Michaels NOR Austin could draw. That's your take on it?
Follow this....Tyson DAMN SURE made up for the lack of star Steve Austin was in WM 14. EVERYBODY fukking knows that:laugh: Tyson was the biggest PPV attraction of all time at that point. WTF is wrong with you? Are you on dope? Tyson was bigger than Michael Jordan at one point...he was much, much, much, much bigger star than the damn Nwo and Austin were in 98. Get it together, kiddo. I shouldn't have tell you these common sense things.

And Miz and Cena were like the pre show compared to the Rock...why do you think the Rock was the one dominating and ending the show? One Rock Bottom...Cena stayed down and wasn't allowed back on television:laugh: Their top draw was treated like horse shyt:laugh:
 

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Yeah he was great heel but at the same time HBK was heel since 92 how much of a difference could he have made as heel. I'm a Bret Hart Stan and loved their rivalry but there was nothing outside of Austin or Rock ascension to the top that was beating Turner.

Is the fact that the resurgence of WWF in the ratings war in 1998 coincided with a huge downturn in the quality of WCW programming (that's pretty much consensus) from the creative highs of 1996-97 nWo etc. purely a coincidence? It's all because they got rid of Shawn who was holding them back I guess.

What were Austin and The Rock competing with in terms of opposition that compares to the first 18 months of the nWo? In fact, when did any WWF main eveter EVER have to compete with something on the level of "the absolute peak of WCW"?
 

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They were competing with Goldberg who was bigger than any one member of the Nwo except Hogan. And he was red hot..he was MUCH bigger as phenom than Shawn and Bret together. He was who Steve Austin was dealing with. They messed up the Goldberg booking and had they not, they would of stood SOME chance in 99 before the Rock turned face and delivered that KO across the board on them and ECW.
 

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The WCW/nWo storyline was basically over when Shawn retired. So nothing that happened after he retired could be said to "beat the WCW/nWo storyline". Austin vs McMahon didn't beat the WCW/nWo storyline. They happened at different times. Austin's run on top competed with the "nWo turns on each other" story throughout 1998.


Fans have turned on The Rock way more times than they ever went against HBK as a babyface (that one night at SS basically). What are we to make of that?


The NWO started in 1996 and HBK was on top in 1996 they ran against one another. So based off the results of mid 1996 and part of 97. was HBK really going to beat NWO? They were loosing while he was on top and getting booed out of some markets I think it's safe conclusion to come up with especially if you wanna compare the numbers. The E needed new faces to compete and they pushed them to the moon once they realized what they had with Austin and later Rocky

Yes Rocky was booed early on as pretty much a rookie who was fresh out of Memphis at the time so comparing a green talent getting booed to a cat with 10+years of experance is pretty much the same right....and later on when he was already the rock he had the abilty to flip the crowd back into his hands within minutes or make them hate him minutes/seconds he truly was a master of the mic
 
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Dudes never think about this but the night the Rock got SMOLDERING heat in Toronto as they chanted YOU SOLD OUT and all that shyt to him in 2003 after No Way Out, what no one ever brings up is that by the end of that NIGHT....Toronto was chanting Rocky and popping for him saying "I'm Still Your People's Champ"...Shawn nor Bret never were that special or had that ability
 

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They were competing with Goldberg who was bigger than any one member of the Nwo except Hogan. And he was red hot..he was MUCH bigger as phenom than Shawn and Bret together. He was who Steve Austin was dealing with. They messed up the Goldberg booking and had they not, they would of stood SOME chance in 99 before the Rock turned face and delivered that KO across the board on them and ECW.

So you agree with me then. Goldberg was poorly booked. The initial nWo run was the best angle any WWF competitor ever had. Not poorly booked. Therefore they aren't equivalent.
 

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The NWO started in 1996 and HBK was on top in 1996 they ran against one another. So based off the results of mid 1996 and part of 97. was HBK really going to beat NWO? They were loosing while he was on top and getting booed out of some markets I think it's safe conclusion to come up with especially if you wanna compare the numbers. The E needed new faces to compete and they pushed them to the moon once they realized what they had with Austin and later Rocky

Yes Rocky was booed early on as pretty much a rookie who was fresh out of Memphis at the time so comparing a green talent getting booed to a cat with 10+years of experance is pretty much the same right....and later on when he was already the rock he had the abilty to flip the crowd back into his hands within minutes or make them hate him minutes/seconds he truly was a master of the mic

Name two.

And I was thinking more of 01-02 for The Rock. The Rocky Maivia shyt doesn't count, he wasn't really The Rock yet.
 

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Name two.

And I was thinking more of 01-02 for The Rock. The Rocky Maivia shyt doesn't count, he wasn't really The Rock yet.

2002 Rocky had his eyes set on hollywood but Hollywood Rock crushed the buildings later so that's :manny:


I'm pretty sure HBK didn't get welcoming reactions in pretty much any major wrestling/smark town. But NYC for sure and if I remember correctly Philly wasn't 100% behind him also.
 

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You gotta be trolling. Undertaker was a stiff for like the first 7 years of his run. Sid was as entertaining as you can be when your lifetime average match rating is like 0.2* and your promos are more remembered for hilarious live mic botches than anything else. The only good thing about Bret was his in-ring, which apparently you don't value all that highly considering you made this thread so that doesn't really make sense to me.

Taker and Sid were so entertaining that they had the worst WrestleMania main event in history. I'd rather have had HBK vs Undertaker tbh but I guess that would have been less entertaining to you?

Yeah Jose Lothario was lame and in retrospect, earnest WWF babyfaces seem corny because Vince wanted them out there giving high fives and kissing babies and shyt. But at the time, he was the coolest guy to me because he did the best moves and didn't have boring matches.

I wasn't really checking for "edgy" promos as an 8 year old, I just wanted to see awesome moves and exciting action. HBGOAT delivered. :manny:

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Michaels posing in a gay magazine sure showed us.
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he thought women would read it :mjlol: it's a funny situation, but you got problems if you really hating him over that
 

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Lot's of people stating opinions and not facts. The FACT is HBK was the best draw in the mid 90's and kept the company afloat until Austin came around. HBK was turned face from heel because the fans chose it and started to cheer for him against babyfaces. HBK drew the highest ratings and made the company the most money it had earned in years while he was champion and this was stated by VInce Mcmahon himself. Another FACT, WWF was beating WCW in the Monday night war ratings from the time HBK won the title until June of 1996 (NWO forms) The FACT is HBK drew higher ratings and made more money then Bret, Taker, Sid, Diesel, and Backlund.
 

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So you agree with me then. Goldberg was poorly booked. The initial nWo run was the best angle any WWF competitor ever had. Not poorly booked. Therefore they aren't equivalent.
The nwo angle changed pro wrestling...Goldberg emerged from it all as a big risk and it worked and paid off until Nash fukked it all up and here we are in 2015...no WCW and all Cena, all the time.
 

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'96 Babyface HBK was HOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRIBLE. Especially going up against the NWO on the other channel. Who the fukk would like some goofy ass male stripper? Once he ditched that shyt and started being himself, he was awesome.
 
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