NBPA Will Seek Lower Age Limit

[FTBS]

right, and Davis is currently younger than Shaq and Duncan were when they started to take over the NBA

Right and they didn't have the two incubation years. They came right in doing it, which is my point.

 

[NatiboyB]

Why did players go along with the age limit the first time? You realize we wouldnt' have one if they didn't sign off on it right?
The difference is talent. Guys like Mike and Duncan and Kareem put up MVP caliber numbers their first year. None of the straight from HS or one and done players have done so. What's the difference?

Guys like LeBron and KD put up big numbers as well.

 

[NatiboyB]

It's not a truer statistic because as I stated in the post you quoted the best of the best have pretty much all come out early in recent years. A supremely talented player in this day and age staying for 3 years is an anomaly whereas in years past it was the norm. So comparing the guys who leave early today to guys who stay today leaves us with the false equivalence of comparing Anthony Davis to Doug McDermott. Whereas comparing Davis to his talent peers like Duncan or Shaq or Hakeem seems to be a far better measure IMO.

How many became that nikka at 18 or 19 which is all that's relevant if you are anti-age limit?

How come we just can't understand that we are comparing dudes to instant HOF candidates......Let's do this.

Adrienne Payne vs Noah Vonleah

And

Andre Drummond vs Tyler Zeller

 

[FTBS]

Guys like LeBron and KD put up big numbers as well.

Still nowhere near what previous eras of greats that were more ready coming in did. It used to be par for the course for top rookies to come in putting up numbers, not just nice numbers for a rookie, but numbers. Christian Laettner or Keith Van Horn would be runaway ROY today.

 

[FTBS]

How come we just can't understand that we are comparing dudes to instant HOF candidates......Let's do this.

Adrienne Payne vs Noah Vonleah

And

Andre Drummond vs Tyler Zeller

How come you can't understand I am comparing comparable talents across era?

 

[NatiboyB]

How come you can't understand I am comparing comparable talents across era?

Because we should only compare the current era...Shaqs, Jordans, James, Duncan, Magic, Bird are once in a life time generational talents they would of produced the same regardless of how long or short they were in school...Duncan could of been the #1 pick Damn near 3 years in a row.

 

[SchoolboyC]

The last two years have been an anomaly as far as the ROY having weak numbers. 2013 was almost expected due to a pretty weak draft class and 2014 has had significant injuries to top picks and tbf if Wiggins got to start at SG the entire season he'd have a great statline as well.

If you look at the other ROY's in recent seasons other than these last two, Lillard & Kyrie were averaging around 18-20 PPG, Blake Griffin averaged 20+/10+, Tyreke was 20/5/5, Rose was putting up like 18/6 on a playoff team, Durant was putting up 20 a game, etc.

 

[FTBS]

Because we should only compare the current era...Shaqs, Jordans, James, Duncan, Magic, Bird are once in a life time generational talents they would of produced the same regardless of how long or short they were in school...Duncan could of been the #1 pick Damn near 3 years in a row.

Is Kobe not that? Is KG not that? Is Lebron not that? Is Davis not that? Yet they didn't come in producing at the same level...why? You can't say age, and in turn physical and mental maturity, doesn't matter when it's readily apparent when looking at the first year production of comparable talents.

 

[NatiboyB]

Is Kobe not that? Is KG not that? Is Lebron not that? Is Davis not that? Yet they didn't come in producing at the same level...why? You can't say age, and in turn physical and mental maturity, doesn't matter when it's readily apparent when looking at the first year production of comparable talents.

Or you can say opportunity...

KOBE was behind Jones/Ceballos
KG had to contend with Googilotta
LeBron beasted
Davis was damn good

 

[FTBS]

The last two years have been an anomaly as far as the ROY having weak numbers. 2013 was almost expected due to a pretty weak draft class and 2014 has had significant injuries to top picks and tbf if Wiggins got to start at SG the entire season he'd have a great statline as well.

If you look at the other ROY's in recent seasons other than these last two, Lillard & Kyrie were averaging around 18-20 PPG, Blake Griffin averaged 20+/10+, Tyreke was 20/5/5, Rose was putting up like 18/6 on a playoff team, Durant was putting up 20 a game, etc.

Lillard was 22
Tyreke was 20
Blake was 21

Kd and Rose and Kyrie were all a year removed from HS and still their rookie numbers were on par with Keith Van Horn.

 

[SchoolboyC]

Lillard was 22
Tyreke was 20
Blake was 21

Kd and Rose and Kyrie were all a year removed from HS and still their rookie numbers were on par with Keith Van Horn.

Tyreke was a one-and-done player

 

[FTBS]

Or you can say opportunity...

KOBE was behind Jones/Ceballos
KG had to contend with Googilotta
LeBron beasted
Davis was damn good

21 year old Kobe isn't riding the bench for Eddie Jones or Cedric Ceballos. Dream managed to put up numbers contending with Sampson. Lebron beasted relatively speaking. It was special for his era due to the lowered standards. Davis was basically on par with Christian Laettner.

 

[FTBS]

Tyreke was a one-and-done player

And he was 20.

 

[SchoolboyC]

And he was 20.

You realize the majority of one-and-done players are either 20 or will turn 20 during their rookie season right?

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

As long as the public doesn't pick sides in the millionaires vs billionaires fight it won't even be a issue this time

Ha, you already know who the CACs are gonna side with.
Amazing, they'll side with BILLIONAIRES while arguing that millionaires are overpaid

I certainly hope they aren't making this their top issue when you have individual players salaries capped and steadily shrinking long term deals out there. Funny how there was no mention of football...the biggest sport in the country that forces guys to stay for 3 years. They need to stop with the race angle and comparison to sports with true minor league systems. nikkas fukked it up for themselves when everybody and their mama came straight from HS and the overwhelming majority weren't ready out the gate. Even with the one and done you don't see cats having the immediate impact that guys like Mike and Shaq and Bird and Magic and Wilt and Russell and pretty much every ATG born before 1975 had.

All that said it's amazing to me how the most obvious compromise hasn't been mentioned yet. Instead of having an age limit, you let nikkas in at 18 but you reward cats that wait. Just have a sliding scale that allows guys to either get paid more out the gate or get to FA faster based on how many years they wait. For example, an 18 year old fresh out of HS could get a 5 year deal worth $25 mil while a 22 year old could get a 5 year deal worth $50 mil or you can just have the 22 year old only need to play a year or two before reaching UFA while the 18 year old would have to go through RFA.

Dude, you don't see guys who go to college making that type of impact either.

Out of Bron, Carmelo, and Dwayne Wade, it was WADE who was the late bloomer. Bron and Melo spent a collective 1 year in college.

Name one guy since Tim Duncan, who's come out of college after 4 years and had a better rookie year than Lebron did?

Brandon Roy is the ONLY rookie of the year since Duncan to win the trophy and he averaged 4 points less than LeBron did.

With YOUR logic, players who spend 4 years in college should have a marked advantage over the high-school players, but they don't. Guys should come out of college averaging 28 a game and wayyyy better than the guys who are straight out of high school, which they're not. They're the ones who usually end up sitting on the bench behind, Lebron, Kobe, Amare, KG, etc. . .

It's not that 1 and doners or HSers weren't making the type of impact that Jordan or Chamberlain did, it's that NOBODY makes that type of impact, whether they come out of HS or go to college for 1 or 4 years.

All your argument just shows that competition is tougher these days for young players and it's harder for somebody to come out of nowhere and be wayyy more talented than everybody else like those guys did. Kareem and Wilt wouldn't average that today in their rookie years because there's more great athletes playing in the league.

I also, don't agree with the NFL's handling of it. I mean Maurice Clarett was 6'1 and 220 at 19 years old. He was bigger than Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith EVER were

There's a kid playing high school football this year who benches 500 lbs.

There's another kid who was 6'4" and 400lbs and was bigger than ANY player in the NFL.

The idea that those dudes aren't physically mature is insane.

Mike Tyson was knocking 30 year olds out at 18 and was heavyweight champion by 20. You don't have to be physically mature to do that?

People mature at different times. There's a lot of guys who at 18 are as physically mature as they're ever gonna be.

It's big business so of course it's about the money for both sides. Both sides will always have something to complain about and look out for their own best interest. I am looking out for the fan best interest. Watching nikkas get baby sat and brought along slowly because they aren't ready doesn't benefit the fans, period. fukk I look like caring how much either side gets?

Don't know about you, but I don't like watching young brothas from the ghetto get exploited by a capitalistic machine that doesn't allow them to make a living from their own labor. Slavery ended a long ass time ago, but somebody forgot to tell the NCAA that.

And funny how nobody cares about "fans best interest" in ANY other sport in ANY other part of the world.

You're telling me that the only sports in the ENTIRE WORLD that you have to be "mature" to play are American basketball and American football? Because magically, no other sports in the ENTIRE WORLD force athletes to work for free in college when they have prodigious talents that could allow them to be paid immediately. Name one.

this why the quality of the game has decrease....players dont have no skills or bb IQ

Yes, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James, to savants don't have any BB IQ.

Did yo ass used to watch the Knicks/Pacers debacles during the John Starks/Antonio Davis era?

That shyt was just fundamental excellence, I guess.

You act as if capitalism is a one way street. Just like adults have the right to seek employment, companies have the right to set prerequisites for employment. There are plenty of jobs you can get at 18 and fresh out of HS...NBA player just ain't one of them much like doctor, lawyer, engineer, executive, pro coach or the variety of other jobs that have prereqs and nobody bats an eye.

Dude, the rest of those jobs you're just not ABLE to do at 18. It's been proven that 18 year olds could do that job. Those other jobs have an EDUCATIONAL prerequisite to do the job. . . Professional athlete doesn't tend to the be the type of job with an educational prerequisite, which is why NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD requires that athletes go to college, except American football and basketball.

Wait for all the skip , I know Gary kohlman personally and he's a good dude don't get me wrong . I often eat lunch with him and cp3 but this is ridiculous , young black man need to go to college !! They need they year of experiencing life outside of their limited narrow views they experience in their neighborhoods. Adam silver is right to help these young men experience life in college and prepare for life after high school

Dude, that is NOT your place to tell grown men what they "need" to experience. Aint nobody forcing Justin Bieber or the Olsen Twins to "experience" college. Aint nobody forcing them tennis players or soccer players to "experience" a damn thing or even hockey or baseball players.

You nikkaz acting like you know what's best for everybody's individual situation are the worst.

You know what was best for a lot of these dudes? Getting their little brothers & sisters out of the ghetto before they get robbed, raped, shot & killed. That's what's best for these dudes.

Being able to eat a decent meal every day and make sure that your mama can do the same might be what's best for a lot of these dudes.

It aint just about YOUR entertainment. This is people's lives here. Dudes have a lottery ticket that they can't cash and save their own and other people that they love lives because of racist CACs and the negroes who enable their prejudiced asses.

Great players fared better from the jump when they came in at 20-22 than they did when they came in at 18-19 no matter how you put it .

Says who?

The game has changed, the dudes who fared so well in 1960 when there were only 5 athletic Black dudes in the whole league might not have fared so well in a world where there's thousands of dudes who are more athletic and prepared than the 8 guys that they played against then.

That's why guys who go to college for 4 years don't dominate anymore than everyone else and matter of fact, virtually ALL of the dominant players the past 15 years either came straight out of HS or 1 year out of college

Matter of fact, a dude from Harvard researched it and found out that high-schoolers were on average more successful than everyone else

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/05.27/01-mccann.html

I can name more than that off the top of my head breh. You are minimizing the regularity because it doesn't suit your point/preference and once again you still haven't answered my question.

Can you also name Michael Olowokandi? Pervis Ellison? LaRue Martin? Chris Washburn? Adam Morrison?

Doesn't this hurt the constituents of the Union? A influx of 18 yr olds would take a job of a vet? How does this benefit the players? Just curious

Because the guys make more money because they get to maximize their earning potential.

Kobe and LeBron and KG all got multiple max deals because they started getting paid at 18 instead of 20 or 22.