NBPA Will Seek Lower Age Limit

[SchoolboyC]

So we go from "those players are in the minority" to "okay but what difference does it make"? The difference is that the product is inferior in the meantime until they get to that point. Now tell me what difference it makes for YOU if guys wait a year or two more to enter the league?

Those players are in the minority. I never argued that we saw more players come in and be great as rookies than we've seen in recent years. I only said that those players are in a small minority and rookies should not be expected to be superstars from day one.

How does that make the product inferior? You realize that if Andrew Wiggins isn't in the NBA this season you're not replacing him with a 21 year old version of himself, you're replacing him with Earl Clark, Jordan Crawford or whatever other journeyman NBA player isn't in the NBA right now.

 

[NYC Rebel]

How would he mature the same way if he doesn't have the time to do so? No matter what you are doing and where you are doing it at, you are gonna be more physically mature at 19 than at 18. Thusly, entering the league at 19 you are gonna be more mature than you would have been at 18. You are arguing against things that aren't being said.

Me: KD was more physically mature entering the league at 19 than he would've been at 18.
You: NBA won't pervert maturity.

What do you mean "time to do so?" We are talking about physical maturity here

You really think KD matured psychically in his one year of college?

More than he would have had he gone straight to the the league. Notice how I said that maturity was still an issue after that year of college when he was in the league.

The NBA doesn't prevent a KD from physically maturing.


If you aren't proving how it somehow hurts his physical maturity being in the NBA as opposed to college, you have no point.

 

[FTBS]

What do you mean "time to do so?" We are talking about physical maturity here





The NBA doesn't prevent a KD from physically maturing.


If you aren't proving how it somehow hurts his physical maturity being in the NBA as opposed to college, you have no point.

That's the thing...I'm not. Read the post you quoted. How does that imply anything other than he was more physically mature ENTERING THE LEAGUE after a year of college and in turn physical developing over that year than he would have been ENTERING THE LEAGUE straight from HS without that year of physical development?

 

[23Barrettcity]

What Bron did as a rookie was the aberration. KD's frail ass no doubt would've had struggles fresh out of HS. Physical maturity was pretty much the only thing holding him up early on. Only difference is guys coming after after 2 or more years vs. guys coming right out of HS or one year of college.

MJ came out the gates putting up 28, 6, 6 all he had to figure out was getting some quality teammates on a historically bad franchise.



That's nice and all but 29 and 15 on 52% shooting is 29 and 15 on 52% shooting breh. 21, 12 and 3 blks on 54% shooting is 21, 12, and 3 blks on 54% shooting. 23, 14, and 4 blks on 56% shooting is 23, 14, and 4 on 56% shooting. You really wanna sit here and say that what Davis is doing this year is better than every year of Shaq, Duncan, Dream, and Kareem's careers? I know for sure that Davis' numbers as a frail ass rookie weren't historical. I clearly laid out a plan that allows dudes to come out whenever they want. Guys shouldn't be forced to stay AND they should be ready to go out the gate whenever they do come.

It should be up to the playets discretion , the teams then need to decide if they want to draft the young player . They Pay these executives all this money figure it out

 

[FTBS]

Those players are in the minority. I never argued that we saw more players come in and be great as rookies than we've seen in recent years. I only said that those players are in a small minority and rookies should not be expected to be superstars from day one.

How does that make the product inferior? You realize that if Andrew Wiggins isn't in the NBA this season you're not replacing him with a 21 year old version of himself, you're replacing him with Earl Clark, Jordan Crawford or whatever other journeyman NBA player isn't in the NBA right now.

You didn't answer my question.
Rookies were superstars throughout the leagues first 50 years so how is a product where "you should not expect that" not inferior? You are making a specious point. Of course there would be a transition period if you abruptly change the way the league has operated for 20 years. I think the league would be better now if guys had been waiting to come out for the last 20 years though.
Now care to answer my question?

 

[FTBS]

It should be up to the playets discretion , the teams then need to decide if they want to draft the young player . They Pay these executives all this money figure it out

What if the teams all come together and say they don't want the young players?

 

[SchoolboyC]

You didn't answer my question.
Rookies were superstars throughout the leagues first 50 years so how is a product where "you should not expect that" not inferior? You are making a specious point. Of course there would be a transition period if you abruptly change the way the league has operated for 20 years. I think the league would be better now if guys had been waiting to come out for the last 20 years though.
Now care to answer my question?

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So because 8-10 rookies in a 50 year span came in and were immediately great that means every rookie should have that expectation? If they come in and are immediately stars, then obviously that's great but if they aren't that shouldn't be held against them. I don't see how having that mindset makes the product inferior

What does waiting do? What is the point of players playing 3-4 years in college when they're good enough to be in the NBA? If LeBron wasn't in the NBA his rookie year he wasn't being replaced by a 22 year old version of himself, he was being replaced by a journeyman veteran that wouldn't have been in the league otherwise. I don't get how that makes the talent pool better.

 

[FTBS]

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So because 8-10 rookies in a 50 year span came in and were immediately great that means every rookie should have that expectation? If they come in and are immediately stars, then obviously that's great but if they aren't that shouldn't be held against them. I don't see how having that mindset makes the product inferior

I can name more than that off the top of my head breh. You are minimizing the regularity because it doesn't suit your point/preference and once again you still haven't answered my question.

 

[SchoolboyC]

I can name more than that off the top of my head breh. You are minimizing the regularity because it doesn't suit your point/preference and once again you still haven't answered my question.

I'm not minimizing the regularity, maybe me and you just have different beliefs of what a superstar is

What question did I not answer?

 

[Captain Crunch]

It always comes down to race on here. :deke2:

I thought the age limit had a lot to do with marketing for both the NBA and the NCAA. When Carmelo, Wade, Paul, Durant, Rose, Love, Noah, Roy, Aldridge, Brow, Irving, Wall, Cousins, Griffin, Curry, Harden, etc. were KNOWN coming into the league. All of them had already shown out on a national stage, something they wouldn't have been able to do going straight to the league. In my opinion, one year of college for these guys HELPS their potential earnings.

Most studs in the draft go to shytty teams and we know the league is only showing a handful of teams on national TV on a regular basis. The Wolves and Bucks have barely been on national TV this season, but I've seen Wiggins and Parker in commercials. If they had come straight to the league from high school, both of them would still be invisible. Since we got to see them all season in college last year, everyone knows who they are, even if their first seasons in the NBA are being played in anonymity.

LeBron was an anomaly in the high school to the pros stories. He was ready out of the gate and somehow surpassed expectations and hype.

College did nothing for Wall; Rose, Wiggins, and Parker.

 

[ghostwriterx]

What do you mean "time to do so?" We are talking about physical maturity here





The NBA doesn't prevent a KD from physically maturing.


If you aren't proving how it somehow hurts his physical maturity being in the NBA as opposed to college, you have no point.

If anything the NBA is going to FORCE you to mature physically because guys like Durant won't be able to get by solely on talent like I can when facing college level competition.

 

[FTBS]

I'm not minimizing the regularity, maybe me and you just have different beliefs of what a superstar is

What question did I not answer?

No matter what your beliefs are there is no debate that modern superstars aren't coming out the gates like their past counterparts.

So we go from "those players are in the minority" to "okay but what difference does it make"? The difference is that the product is inferior in the meantime until they get to that point. Now tell me what difference it makes for YOU if guys wait a year or two more to enter the league?

 

[SchoolboyC]

No matter what your belief are there is no debate that modern superstars aren't coming out the gates like their past counterparts.

Personally I feel if a player is good enough to play in the league then he should be allowed to. What's the point of forcing a player who's clearly good enough to play in the league wait, just so he could possibly have a more "magical" rookie season if he's gonna be possibly playing at a high level when he's that age anyway? To me that not only hinders these guys financially but that also makes the product worse. I'd much rather have Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker & Joel Embiid playing in the NBA right now than have Terrence Williams, Earl Clark & Hilton Armstrong take their roster spots while the former toil away at Kansas/Duke playing against inferior competition for years when they're clearly good enough to play at the next level.

 

[Regular_P]

College did nothing for Wall; Rose, Wiggins, and Parker.

It raised their profiles significantly.

 

[FTBS]

Personally I feel if a player is good enough to play in the league then he should be allowed to. What's the point of forcing a player who's clearly good enough to play in the league wait, just so he could possibly have a more "magical" rookie season if he's gonna be possibly playing at a high level when he's that age anyway? To me that not only hinders these guys financially but that also makes the product worse. I'd much rather have Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker & Joel Embiid playing in the NBA right now than have Terrence Williams, Earl Clark & Hilton Armstrong take their roster spots while the former toil away at Kansas/Duke playing against inferior competition for years when they're clearly good enough to play at the next level.

Right because the league is suffering so much with 2 of those 3 out right? Last season was so wack without any of them right? Don't know how I ever enjoyed the game before those 3 came along . If the paradigm had never shifted you wouldn't even miss them. Everybody wants to talk about what a player should be allowed to do and what is fair to them but nobody wants to talk about expectations for that player. If your argument is about what you will eventually become then you have no argument right now. I personally am not trying to watch your growing pains and ups and downs and baby sitting (part of the reason I don't really fukk with college like that) but that's just me .