NBPA Will Seek Lower Age Limit

[FTBS]

Different era different situations. You think Bron would have seen a huge boost from 30 or so college games? You think Durant did?

What Magic did as a rookie was an aberration. How man years did it take MJ to "figure it out"? and he spent 3 years in college playing for the goat coach.

What Bron did as a rookie was the aberration. KD's frail ass no doubt would've had struggles fresh out of HS. Physical maturity was pretty much the only thing holding him up early on. Only difference is guys coming after after 2 or more years vs. guys coming right out of HS or one year of college.

MJ came out the gates putting up 28, 6, 6 all he had to figure out was getting some quality teammates on a historically bad franchise.

Uhh no the fukk they didn't. Anthony Davis has a PER of 31.6 this season, only three players in NBA history have had better seasons than that statistically: Wilt Chamberlain, LeBron James and Michael Jordan and they sure as hell weren't rookies. Anthony Davis is having a historical season statistically. So no you're way off base with that statement. They put up big numbers, yeah, but they weren't as good as Davis is.

Oh and btw I should mention that if Davis had to stay in school for 4 years like some of those guys you named, he wouldn't even be in the NBA right now. And yet he's individually having one of the greatest seasons ever.

That's nice and all but 29 and 15 on 52% shooting is 29 and 15 on 52% shooting breh. 21, 12 and 3 blks on 54% shooting is 21, 12, and 3 blks on 54% shooting. 23, 14, and 4 blks on 56% shooting is 23, 14, and 4 on 56% shooting. You really wanna sit here and say that what Davis is doing this year is better than every year of Shaq, Duncan, Dream, and Kareem's careers? I know for sure that Davis' numbers as a frail ass rookie weren't historical. I clearly laid out a plan that allows dudes to come out whenever they want. Guys shouldn't be forced to stay AND they should be ready to go out the gate whenever they do come.

 

[gho3st]

What was the key factor in determining that outside perception?

It was the Malice at the Palace. When all those white fans were afraid to take their kids to the games because the black guys were a threat to their safety. The dress code was an attempt to make the negros appear safer. It was racially motivated. No Artest in the stands, no dress code

you can't attribute factors driving outside perception to the owners and the league. That's why I said the way the League reacted was more a business decision. It's not as simple as you are making it out to be. But If you want to see shyt in such a myopic view then ....

 

[SchoolboyC]

What Bron did as a rookie was the aberration. KD's frail ass no doubt would've had struggles fresh out of HS. Physical maturity was pretty much the only thing holding him up early on. Only difference is guys coming after after 2 or more years vs. guys coming right out of HS or one year of college.

MJ came out the gates putting up 28, 6, 6 all he had to figure out was getting some quality teammates on a historically bad franchise.



That's nice and all but 29 and 15 on 52% shooting is 29 and 15 on 52% shooting breh. 21, 12 and 3 blks on 54% shooting is 21, 12, and 3 blks on 54% shooting. 23, 14, and 4 blks on 56% shooting is 23, 14, and 4 on 56% shooting. You really wanna sit here and say that what Davis is doing this year is better than every year of Shaq, Duncan, Dream, and Kareem's careers? I know for sure that Davis' numbers as a frail ass rookie weren't historical. I clearly laid out a plan that allows dudes to come out whenever they want. Guys shouldn't be forced to stay AND they should be ready to go out the gate whenever they do come.

When did I say I would take Davis this year over any year of their careers? You said those guys as rookies were putting up better numbers than Davis has this year and I disagreed.

I never once said that Davis' rookie year numbers were historical because they weren't

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Underrated aspect to this is the ROI for owners and teams. Younger players mean rookie contracts end earlier in the development process and more like than not, less production through the span of that contract. So if a player under the lower age limit rookie contract only gets really good in the last year or so of their contract and bounces then its basically a waste for the drafting team.

With that said, that should be taken into account when drafting. If they want to discourage kids entering early then don't draft them as high as they used to..or even change contract structure for players entering under a certain age. Either way, it is completely absurd that in a capitalist society there is a age minimum outside of child labor laws that have nothing to do with driving or drinking laws. Players should have a right to go into the league as soon as they are no longer under child labor laws imo. If a 16 year old wants to have an exploratory draft committee and it deems them a surefire 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder and they want to enter the draft then so be it. No one is forcing the owners to draft or sign them.

 

[MikelArteta]

the thing is for hockey you can get drafted at 18, but most hockey players go back to junior, only the few like top picks actually stick with the team.

 

[FTBS]

When did I say I would take Davis this year over any year of their careers? You said those guys as rookies were putting up better numbers than Davis has this year and I disagreed

I didn't say better. I said they were comparable. Kareem and Wilt and Shaq's were clearly better though while the other guys were right there. You mentioned his 4th all time PER as a rebuttal to what I said about the seasons of the guys that I listed being comparable. If you are using PER as the end all be all measure then you are saying Davis' season is greater than every season in NBA history except for the 3 in front of it.

 

[MikelArteta]

And basketball, in lacking a true minor league system, is an anomaly when compared to hockey or baseball. You see dudes struggle until they mature physically in basketball as well, obviously not to the same degree as football, but there is no denying it plays a part.

pretty much
hockey player drafted at 18 the majority will spend a few years in junior making no money, even at 20 many still rot in the ahl

 

[NYC Rebel]

pretty much
hockey player drafted at 18 the majority will spend a few years in junior making no money, even at 20 many still rot in the ahl

Ok....and what makes that any different than a 19 year old on an NBA bench learning the game? None of us in here watch minor league sports so why do we care about the diffrence in where they're at? We don't watch either player

 

[MikelArteta]

Ok....and what makes that any different than a 19 year old on an NBA bench learning the game? None of us in here watch minor league sports so why do we care about the diffrence in where they're at? We don't watch either player

I'm not disagreeing it should be 18, i'm just saying that the nhl has a proper minor league system, while the nba doesn't.

example drafted as a 18 year old nhl player, you can continue playing junior hockey against people your age and develop.

 

[Big Boss]

hockey doesn't have an age limit

 

[SchoolboyC]

I didn't say better. I said they were comparable. Kareem and Wilt and Shaq's were clearly better though while the other guys were right there. You mentioned his 4th all time PER as a rebuttal to what I said about the seasons of the guys that I listed being comparable. If you are using PER as the end all be all measure then you are saying Davis' season is greater than every season in NBA history except for the 3 in front of it.

I never said or implied that PER is the be all, end all I just used that as a point that Davis is having an all-time great season statistically.

I think Davis overall has better numbers than Shaq did his rookie year. With Shaq the difference is that his poor FT shooting, and his sky high rate of turnovers & fouls is what brings his overall efficiency down.

Kareem & Wilt played in completely different eras, and you also neglect to mention that Kareem played 43 minutes a game and Wilt played 46 while Davis plays just 35.

 

[FTBS]

Underrated aspect to this is the ROI for owners and teams. Younger players mean rookie contracts end earlier in the development process and more like than not, less production through the span of that contract. So if a player under the lower age limit rookie contract only gets really good in the last year or so of their contract and bounces then its basically a waste for the drafting team.

With that said, that should be taken into account when drafting. If they want to discourage kids entering early then don't draft them as high as they used to..or even change contract structure for players entering under a certain age. Either way, it is completely absurd that in a capitalist society there is a age minimum outside of child labor laws that have nothing to do with driving or drinking laws. Players should have a right to go into the league as soon as they are no longer under child labor laws imo. If a 16 year old wants to have an exploratory draft committee and it deems them a surefire 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder and they want to enter the draft then so be it. No one is forcing the owners to draft or sign them.

You act as if capitalism is a one way street. Just like adults have the right to seek employment, companies have the right to set prerequisites for employment. There are plenty of jobs you can get at 18 and fresh out of HS...NBA player just ain't one of them much like doctor, lawyer, engineer, executive, pro coach or the variety of other jobs that have prereqs and nobody bats an eye.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I'm not disagreeing it should be 18, i'm just saying that the nhl has a proper minor league system, while the nba doesn't.

example drafted as a 18 year old nhl player, you can continue playing junior hockey against people your age and develop.

I don't see how a minor league system comes into play here when an 18 year old player can be coached up facing actual NBA players on a regular basis.

I saw anthony Davis summer spent with the Olympic team add years to his game that college couldnt. Nor do i think any form of a minor league could contribute

 

[SchoolboyC]

I don't see how a minor league system comes into play here when an 18 year old player can be coached up facing actual NBA players on a regular basis.

I saw anthony Davis summer spent with the Olympic team add years to his game that college couldnt. Nor do i think any form of a minor league could contribute

I would think it's better for a player's development to be practicing and playing against professionals every day compared to practicing and playing with a bunch of amateurs

 

[Box Factory]

Haven't really read through this thread so maybe its already been said, but I really feel like the NBA needs to look at reforming the D league into a true development league where each team has their own minor league team with their own coaches before they look at changing age limits.