NBPA Will Seek Lower Age Limit

[954UAlreadyknow]

I have no problem with how how it is but clearly some of them leave too early

I do think a select FEW of them should be allowed to go straight to the leauge



That should be RARE though

 

[42 Monks]

When did I say that basketball was comparable to football? My point was that, just like you can't compare it to football you shouldn't be comparing it to baseball and hockey due the differences that exist in that regard. The experience piece was a reference to fresh out of HS or college players with talent just not being able to keep up with their competition yet, at least not to the level that 3 and 4 year guys (of the same caliber) have throughout history.

When you compareed the NFL's age stuff to the NBA's... that's a comparison

 

[gho3st]

So the NBA was losing money cause we were dressing the way we wanted to dress? Investors were giving the NBA ultimatums if the players didn't start wearing suits? The league was gonna lose TV contracts cause dudes were wearing baggy jeans ?

That shyt was racially motivated, the business angle was just used as a reason to get young black dudes to conform to what the white man wanted them to look like. People would, and were watching regardless.

The irony of an NBA player not being able to wear J's and having to put on a suit. On top of that, plenty of brothers were wearing suits on the bench and to press conferences; it's just that everybody wasn't. They made it seem like every black player dressed like Allen Iverson, which wasn't true. And so what if everyone did, we should be able to wear what the fukk we want.

where did i say they were losing money??

 

[NYC Rebel]

I have no problem with how how it is but clearly some of them leave too early

I do think a select FEW of them should be allowed to go straight to the leauge



That should be RARE though

As with in other sports where players leave early and are career minor leaguers. But where is the concern for them? And what makes this argument flawed is that the success rate of those who leave early to the NBA is even GREATER than in other sports.

 

[FTBS]

No, there was never a time where the majority of stars were stars from day one. Those players have always been a very small minority.

All ATG from all eras are members of a very small minority. There is a very clear demarcation between how players in that minority started their careers before HS kids started making the jump and after. Like I said all you gotta do is check the numbers. You had nikkas like Kareem coming in and putting up MVP type numbers out the gate. You look at a guy in this era that's supposed to be the next in that line and it took him a couple years. People go crazy over Davis' numbers, and rightfully so, but if you just check the numbers Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, D. Rob, Ewing, Hakeem, Sampson, Duncan all came out the gate as rookies doing what he's doing now. When is the last time a rookie had a year like that? People hang their hats on what these guys become and totally miss the fact that the issue with an age limit is all about what they are out the gate.

 

[ghostwriterx]

I'm comparing the best to the best. Compare Kobe, an HOF top 10 player, as a rookie to Mike or Magic or Bird and see how that comparison holds up.

Different era different situations. You think Bron would have seen a huge boost from 30 or so college games? You think Durant did?

What Magic did as a rookie was an aberration. How man years did it take MJ to "figure it out"? and he spent 3 years in college playing for the goat coach.

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

As with in other sports where players leave early and are career minor leaguers. But where is the concern for them? And what makes this argument flawed is that the success rate of those who leave early to the NBA is even GREATER thaIn in other sports.

Those that leave early are good. The majority just struggle alot for a year or two before they become good.

The NBA doesnt have a minor league system at the moment, thats the real issue

 

[NYC Rebel]

Those that leave early are good. The majority just struggle alot for a year or two before they become good.

The NBA doesnt have a minor league system at the moment, thats the real issue

No....the majority go on to have decent careers.

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

No....the majority go on to have decent careers.

I agree....Im just saying alot of them that leave after just a year early struggle for the first year or two..

 

[Supa]

No it was mostly a business decision heavily influenced by outward(public) perception. Yes you cant(and shouldnt') ignore the racial implications but it's not as black/white as you are making it out to be.

What was the key factor in determining that outside perception?

It was the Malice at the Palace. When all those white fans were afraid to take their kids to the games because the black guys were a threat to their safety. The dress code was an attempt to make the negros appear safer. It was racially motivated. No Artest in the stands, no dress code

 

[SchoolboyC]

All ATG from all eras are members of a very small minority. There is a very clear demarcation between how players in that minority started their careers before HS kids started making the jump and after. Like I said all you gotta do is check the numbers. You had nikkas like Kareem coming in and putting up MVP type numbers out the gate. You look at a guy in this era that's supposed to be the next in that line and it took him a couple years. People go crazy over Davis' numbers, and rightfully so, but if you just check the numbers Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, D. Rob, Ewing, Hakeem, Sampson, Duncan all came out the gate as rookies doing what he's doing now.

When is the last time a rookie had a year like that? People hang their hats on what these guys become and totally miss the fact that the issue with an age limit is all about what they are out the gate.

Uhh no the fukk they didn't. Anthony Davis has a PER of 31.6 this season, only three players in NBA history have had better seasons than that statistically: Wilt Chamberlain, LeBron James and Michael Jordan and they sure as hell weren't rookies. Anthony Davis is having a historical season statistically. So no you're way off base with that statement. They put up big numbers, yeah, but they weren't as good as Davis is.

Oh and btw I should mention that if Davis had to stay in school for 4 years like some of those guys you named, he wouldn't even be in the NBA right now. And yet he's individually having one of the greatest seasons ever.

 

[FTBS]

They are strictly comparing it to other sports where players are physically capable of being contributors early on. Your focus on the minor leagues has no bearing on that.

Actually it does because it a clear difference that makes the comparison silly, much like the physicality angle in football.

When you compareed the NFL's age stuff to the NBA's... that's a comparison

I never did that. I compared a poor comparison that supported their point to another poor comparison that rebutted their point. Point blank you can't compare the NBA to any of the other professional sports.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Don't see how anyone can be for an age limit in the NA. There is no reason for it aside from trying to add significance to the college game. I'm not sure why the NBA feels personally responsible for making the college game more watchable because that's the only thing this rule is good for. "Getting the athletes ready for the pro game" is BS these colleges don't focus on improving these players they just ride em for a year and make bread.

 

[Regular_P]

It always comes down to race on here. :deke2:

I thought the age limit had a lot to do with marketing for both the NBA and the NCAA. When Carmelo, Wade, Paul, Durant, Rose, Love, Noah, Roy, Aldridge, Brow, Irving, Wall, Cousins, Griffin, Curry, Harden, etc. were KNOWN coming into the league. All of them had already shown out on a national stage, something they wouldn't have been able to do going straight to the league. In my opinion, one year of college for these guys HELPS their potential earnings.

Most studs in the draft go to shytty teams and we know the league is only showing a handful of teams on national TV on a regular basis. The Wolves and Bucks have barely been on national TV this season, but I've seen Wiggins and Parker in commercials. If they had come straight to the league from high school, both of them would still be invisible. Since we got to see them all season in college last year, everyone knows who they are, even if their first seasons in the NBA are being played in anonymity.

LeBron was an anomaly in the high school to the pros stories. He was ready out of the gate and somehow surpassed expectations and hype.

 

[threattonature]

It always comes down to race on here. :deke2:

I thought the age limit had a lot to do with marketing for both the NBA and the NCAA. When Carmelo, Wade, Paul, Durant, Rose, Love, Noah, Roy, Aldridge, Brow, Irving, Wall, Cousins, Griffin, Curry, Harden, etc. were KNOWN coming into the league. All of them had already shown out on a national stage, something they wouldn't have been able to do going straight to the league. In my opinion, one year of college for these guys HELPS their potential earnings.

Most studs in the draft go to shytty teams and we know the league is only showing a handful of teams on national TV on a regular basis. The Wolves and Bucks have barely been on national TV this season, but I've seen Wiggins and Parker in commercials. If they had come straight to the league from high school, both of them would still be invisible. Since we got to see them all season in college last year, everyone knows who they are, even if their first seasons in the NBA are being played in anonymity.

LeBron was an anomaly in the high school to the pros stories. He was ready out of the gate and somehow surpassed expectations and hype.

This plus what was said earlier is the big reason, I don't think it's racially driven. For the NBA, the NCAA is free marketing. These players are developing a brand and a following while playing for free. The longer they stay in college it has the dual benefit of being the longer they have to build a fan base for free as well as the NBA not having to fit the bill for these young players. The more years spent in college the less years the NBA owners are stuck paying their salary.