Pat Riley: " No More Smiling Faces With Hidden Agendas."

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Classic coli playbook. When your argument fails, make it an argument about race

You basically admitted that you have no counter argument.

The sad thing is, you guys actually believe you have a legit argument........ and ironically its coming from HEAT fans............

You got one guy in here who went to free lunch with Lebron obviously because he has enough personal insight on Bron to know that he lacks, "business acumen" but has yet to drop one example that proves such.....

So if Lebron would've shook Riley's hand and said its been fun, but I'm going back home.... everything would have been good?

 

[NYC Rebel]

Why are there so many horrible comparisons and willful ignorance to what dude is saying being made in this thread, particularly by someone like Reb who always seemed level headed as hell? Cats kill me ()

How is even a discussion whether or not ducking your former employer and not simply saying you're going isn't bytch made? It's not comparable to half the shyt you all are comparing it to. Riley, regardless of his snake past, obviously had an expectation or hope of him returning. B Ron obviously did not want to return. Why not just say so? There's no slave mentality to that. You worked somewhere for four years, had success and the company wanted you back...you opted not to. Why not say so? Why duck and run unless you know what you're doing is shaky? All y'all with this "owe" shyt because you think he's being about his business and standing against the establishment, but to me it just seems bytch made to not just say I'm out, especially when you know there's an expectation for you to return. It's the same for any team that just trades or cuts someone with no notice. If there is no amicable or understood action, you're engaging in poor business practice. Period.

so you're going to ignore those that say this is going to hurt Bron or is an indicator of poor business acumen on his part?

dog...what you're calling "poor" is just "standard business practice. There are little to few examples of "good guying" your way up the food chain.

Yall speaking on what's "good or bad" while I'm speaking on "what is."

Worst of all are fools saying it "hurts" Bron while ignoring how Riley's action had little affect on him.

 

[NYC Rebel]

The sad thing is, you guys actually believe you have a legit argument........ and ironically its coming from HEAT fans............

You got one guy in here who went to free lunch with Lebron obviously because he has enough personal insight on the Bron to know that he lacks, "business acumen" but has yet to drop one example that proves such.....

So if Lebron would've shook Riley's hand and said its been fun, but I'm going back home.... everything would have been good?

Wife shook hands with out of all places....THE NBA this week and turned down their offer. Guess what? The chick on from HR on the other line still caught an attitude as if their $35 stock price affects my wife current $85 stock price she's getting from her current employer.

Man please....these folks will STILL be mad.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

See. When you're great, or above average with leverage, the same rules do not apply to you... It has nothing to do with manhood, but everything to do with using your options to ensure your success...

Yall must still be in college......... cause the way you're describing the corporate\business world is romanticism at its finest

 

[Daniel.]

• And aint shyt emotional about that to me either a Knick fan that hates Bron and HATES Riley. I say that as an HR professional looking at the situation for what it is. Let's not try to isolate facts from context to serve your point

 

[Daniel.]

See. When you're great, or above average with leverage, the same rules do not apply to you... It has nothing to do with manhood, but everything to do with using your options to ensure your success...

Yall must still be in college......... cause the way you're describing the corporate\business world is romanticism at its finest

It's definitely romanticized but doesn't lend the approach any less credence. shyt being cutthroat shouldn't now make it the standard or okay to expect. We should expect better on both sides not pick and choose when it's okay to be outraged.

 

[boskey]

lol we're on Page 7 and Day 3 of this thread and people are still pretending its about "business etiquette"

Just say you hate Lebron and think he's a bytch. Thats a way better argument than "he's unprofessional with bad business sense".

Riley is not upset just becuz Bron was rude to him, he's upset becuz he had a championship team and Lebron took it from him and gave it to Cleveland and Riley was powerless in stopping it. If Lebron warned him 18 months in advance he was going to Cleveland he would still be upset and talking about loyalty, perseverance blah blah....and ya'll would be cosigning that too.

 

[NYC Rebel]

It's definitely romanticized but doesn't lend the approach any less credence. shyt being cutthroat shouldn't now make it the standard or okay to expect. We should expect better on both sides not pick and choose when it's okay to be outraged.

You really live in NYC working where we work and expect some "good guying" in business?

Dog...one of the reasons I took my current job is that in the 15+ years I've been working this is the first employer I've seen give their workers 90 days advance warning that they're offshoring their work to India.
15 years bro...after living through this. and seeing the big wigs leave with a golden parachute as they let us go. but I'm supposed to "expect" something different?

Man please. Where have you BEEN?

 

[Daniel.]

so you're going to ignore those that say this is going to hurt Bron or is an indicator of poor business acumen on his part?

dog...what you're calling "poor" is just "standard business practice. There are little to few examples of "good guying" your way up the food chain.

Yall speaking on what's "good or bad" while I'm speaking on "what is."

Worst of all are fools saying it "hurts" Bron while ignoring how Riley's action had little affect on him.

The hurt shyt means nothing to me because as you alluded to, Riley been eatin well since he left us so ii don't anticipate this will hurt Brons brand at all.

My problem is the very jaded pov you just touched on - what is. What is shouldnt be and shouldn't be accepted just as. It's poor on both ends to just be out. You build bonds with people, particularly someone of Brons stature and not bench warmer 15; and it's much more difficult to just leave just because it's your right to do so or because you have some leverage. Not to say it's okay for bench warmer 15 to do it either, but from bottom to top there is a certain decorum one should face business with. Both these guys are guilty of shytty busines to me. Just my take.

 

[NYC Rebel]

The hurt shyt means nothing to be because as you alluded to, Riley been Eaton well says he left us so ii don't anticipate this will hurt Brons brand at all.

My problem is the very jaded pov you just touched on - what is. What isshiukdnt be and shouldn't be accepted just as. It's poor on both ends to just be out. You build bonds with people, particularly someone of Brons stature and not bench warmer 15; and it's much more difficult to just leave just because it's your right to do so or because you have some leverage. Not to say it's okay for bench warmer 15 to do it either, but from bottom to top there is a certain decorum one should face business with. Both these guys are guilty of shorty busines to me..

I learned in 2008 that the shyt you're looking for is DEAD.

I saw entire families hurt by this shyt...and they gave two shyts about it.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124182740622102431

Let's be real here and stop living in this "nice guy" fantasy of current day American business. Those are industrial age rules you're going by of yesterday's America.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

It's definitely romanticized but doesn't lend the approach any less credence. shyt being cutthroat shouldn't now make it the standard or okay to expect. We should expect better on both sides not pick and choose when it's okay to be outraged.

Cutthroat?

Really?

What did Lebron do that was cut throat...... He fulfilled his contractual obligation... the end.... so not wanting to discuss business affairs at friends weddings = cutthroat business practices now?

Yall are being silly

 

[Primetime21]

lol we're on Page 7 and Day 3 of this thread and people are still pretending its about "business etiquette"

Just say you hate Lebron and think he's a bytch. Thats a way better argument than "he's unprofessional with bad business sense".

Riley is not upset just becuz Bron was rude to him, he's upset becuz he had a championship team and Lebron took it from him and gave it to Cleveland and he Riley was powerless in stopping it. If Lebron warned him 18 months in advance he was going to Cleveland he would still be upset and talking about loyalty, perseverance blah blah....and ya'll would be cosigning that too.

I've been on record, I think LeBron has some bytch ass tendencies. I dont know that he's a bytch personally but he's got some hoe tendencies. I dont see how that's a debate.."James later told friends that having to share the same room with Heat president Pat Riley was uncomfortable that night." What kind of man feels uncomfortable being the in the same room as a man 30 years your senior? That said he exercised his right as a free agent to do whatever he wanted. Riley exercising his right to say whatever he wants. He's more than paid his dues to the game he can do that. We appreciate LeBron's contributions as a Heat player and that chapter is done. Heat will be back

 

[Liquid]

Why are there so many horrible comparisons and willful ignorance to what dude is saying being made in this thread, particularly by someone like Reb who always seemed level headed as hell? Cats kill me ()

How is even a discussion whether or not ducking your former employer and not simply saying you're going isn't bytch made? It's not comparable to half the shyt you all are comparing it to. Riley, regardless of his snake past, obviously had an expectation or hope of him returning. B Ron obviously did not want to return. Why not just say so? There's no slave mentality to that. You worked somewhere for four years, had success and the company wanted you back...you opted not to. Why not say so? Why duck and run unless you know what you're doing is shaky? All y'all with this "owe" shyt because you think he's being about his business and standing against the establishment, but to me it just seems bytch made to not just say I'm out, especially when you know there's an expectation for you to return. It's the same for any team that just trades or cuts someone with no notice. If there is no amicable or understood action, you're engaging in poor business practice. Period.

That's my point exactly. Reb and Vecsey are trying their best to force a racial or "privileged" issue here when there is none. Reb is claiming that he didn't get emotional, yet that angle did not come from any logical reasoning he could have come up with.. Vecsey even went as far as to cal me a Miami Heat fan

The simple fact that they committed 10 million to a guy that LeBron was a fan of is reason enough to suggest that just 3 weeks out Miami had no idea of LeBron's intentions. That's a shytty way to conduct business in any walk of life, LeBron and his team know they just have the power position and are not considering the other side of a negotiation...even after they put the whole franchise in a position to get yourself and your friends in that position. Miami showed it's loyalty, they showed that they would come through for it's players and LeBron did it again. I don't like putting a morale spin on things, but it just doesn't make sense to NOT be up front about it. If LeBron was not "LeBron" the Cavs probably don't take him back after that BS he pulled in 2010.

 

[Liquid]

lol we're on Page 7 and Day 3 of this thread and people are still pretending its about "business etiquette"

Just say you hate Lebron and think he's a bytch. Thats a way better argument than "he's unprofessional with bad business sense".

Riley is not upset just becuz Bron was rude to him, he's upset becuz he had a championship team and Lebron took it from him and gave it to Cleveland and Riley was powerless in stopping it. If Lebron warned him 18 months in advance he was going to Cleveland he would still be upset and talking about loyalty, perseverance blah blah....and ya'll would be cosigning that too.

Why would I hate LeBron? He has provided many memorable moments on TV that I watched and I don't know him personally.

I put those who have handled his career at fault more than him tbh.

 

[NYC Rebel]

That's my point exactly. Reb and Vecsey are trying their best to force a racial or "privileged" issue here when there is none. Reb is claiming that he didn't get emotional, yet that angle did not come from any logical reasoning he could have come up with.. Vecsey even went as far as to cal me a Miami Heat fan

The simple fact that they committed 10 million to a guy that LeBron was a fan of is reason enough to suggest that just 3 weeks out Miami had no idea of LeBron's intentions. That's a shytty way to conduct business in any walk of life, LeBron and his team know they just have the power position and are not considering the other side of a negotiation...even after they put the whole franchise in a position to get yourself and your friends in that position. Miami showed it's loyalty, they showed that they would come through for it's players and LeBron did it again. I don't like putting a morale spin on things, but it just doesn't make sense to be up front about it. If LeBron was not "LeBron" the Cavs probably don't take him back after that BS he pulled in 2010.

Dude...I said yall gave privilege. Who sees one dude that left under fukked up terms doing well for himself while saying another left under fukked up terms will hurt his? That's the DEFINITION of privilege. Yall focus on "right" and "wrong" is pure bullshyt in today's business world. Miami showed a contract that he honored. How is loyalty involved in that?

Dudes coming in here with their industrial age business thinking. Act like you live in 2015....not 1981.