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Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread
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There's no one definitive way to develop a player. Having him defer to multiple teammates and take a backseat to them isn't good for his confidence and could instill bad habits (he already has a habit of settling for jumpers from reports I've read). You can get him a better quality 20 minutes off of the bench and let him EARN the starting spot. When he's ready to start, he starts, but before that he should brought along with care. In a second unit he can make mistakes and take more gambles without being detrimental to the Melo's or the LMA's (I wish) or even the Afflalo's who will be making too much money not to take the reps.Dirk and Manu both played about 20 per as rookies, no reason to force more on a player before he's ready.
No force feeding minutes to players. Let him start with a 15-20 mpg role (which is still a good amount for a 19 year old rookie who has the body of a tweener at the moment) and build his instincts. Now Jerian Grant....that kid I expect to compete for a starting role. I'm sure Horace Grant is giving him a ton of inside info on the system.
Nah, when it comes to the foreign dudes there does seem to be a definitive way to develop them, and that's to throw as many minutes at them in their first 3 years as possible. He's not ready to be the focal point of an offense, and bringing him off the bench will more than likely mean he will be playing center which is something he shouldn't be doing. He needs to start the second half of the season, that is how all these good foreigners have been handled
He's the 4th pick in a very good draft, stop thinking about how he affects Melo and realize that Kristaps development is now the most important thing for the Knicks moving forward. He doesn't have the body of a tweener, he's 230lbs which is fine for PF, he needs to add weight if you want him to play center but right now he can get away with playing a lot of minutes at the 4 as long as he has a center next to him.
People forget that Thanasis is going to be a frenetic, tough, disruptive wing defender (assuming we sign him) -- that's a major advantage when considering these rosters and flexibility.
I'd happily sign Biyombo and Aminu to reasonable deals to get the defensive base, even if they're not our dream/longterm players. Brandan Wright is a weapon in that regard, too.
Danny Green would be great, though I don't think we get him. (LONG ISLAND STAND UP).
From there... I don't know that I'd want to max Monroe out... but I'd certainly consider him. Especially if it's going to be the shorter deal, like he's talking about.
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if you like but I'll take Monta over Danny Green any day. I also wouldn't over pay Monta either. I think in Dallas he showed he can play within a team concept and the ball dominant chucker thing is overblown. Defensively he can't be any worse than Hardaway. I'd like more out of the 2 position than a "3 and D" guy. Sue me. NY needs a shot maker in addition to Melo. Someone who can finish a play. 1 trick, spot up in the corner ponies? 
Biyombo and Aminu should be able to had on reasonable deals. They both improve the defense like crazy. You can hide Melo (who's not a bad defender IMO) and Monroe (if he signs) easily with them.
Some of us don't really have a go 2 team
onelastdeath
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Or shatter his confidence beyond repair
JMurder
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where dat dirt at doggie?
Or shatter his confidence beyond repair
Nope, Giannis played like shyt for most of his rookie year, Dirk looked like garbage water and was thinking of going back to Europe, Tony Parker was horrific, Ibaka was even more raw than Porzingis and was playing 20+mpg over the last two months of his rookie year.
Pressure creates diamonds breh, throw him out there and let him start the second half of the season. Keeping a player glued to the bench and never letting him play through his mistakes is more damaging than getting burn and failing.
JMurder
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ogc163
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Monta Ellis 
Greg Monroe
David West
Build the team around KP and his development. Signing players just to make the playoffs and not be contenders is not the way to go. Only FA that makes the Knicks contenders immediately is Marc Gasol, no one else.
The emphasis should be on player development not making the playoffs
Greg Monroe
David West
Build the team around KP and his development. Signing players just to make the playoffs and not be contenders is not the way to go. Only FA that makes the Knicks contenders immediately is Marc Gasol, no one else.
The emphasis should be on player development not making the playoffs
Breh,
People forget that Thanasis is going to be a frenetic, tough, disruptive wing defender (assuming we sign him) -- that's a major advantage when considering these rosters and flexibility.
I'd happily sign Biyombo and Aminu to reasonable deals to get the defensive base, even if they're not our dream/longterm players. Brandan Wright is a weapon in that regard, too.
Danny Green would be great, though I don't think we get him. (LONG ISLAND STAND UP).
From there... I don't know that I'd want to max Monroe out... but I'd certainly consider him. Especially if it's going to be the shorter deal, like he's talking about.
Monroe's max would be 15 mill right?
@#SOG_soldier Sorry about my mistake on Aminu's position.
@Hammer The team "suck dikk though & be a 35 win team."
We can't create a contender. Creating a playoff team is going to require Gasol or LMA, who we aren't going to get. We don't have a draft pick. What other option is there but to build the best team possible with the most sound financial outlook?
What suggestion do you have?
storyteller
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Nah, when it comes to the foreign dudes there does seem to be a definitive way to develop them, and that's to throw as many minutes at them in their first 3 years as possible. He's not ready to be the focal point of an offense, and bringing him off the bench will more than likely mean he will be playing center which is something he shouldn't be doing. He needs to start the second half of the season, that is how all these good foreigners have been handled
He doesn't have the body of a tweener, he's 230lbs which is fine for PF, he needs to add weight if you want him to play center but right now he can get away with playing a lot of minutes at the 4 as long as he has a center next to him.
Why would he more than likely be a C off the bench? He's not allowed to play PF off the bench? I don't get your logic on that. Again, at 20 mpg he'd match Dirk Nowitzki's rookie year and Manu Ginobili's rookie year minutes and both were older than him. Just to add to that, Bargnani played 25 per game and was still a bust, but Vucevic played 16 mpg as a rookie and has steadily developed into a quality player since. Their development has to do with how the teams train them and their own mentality a lot more than simple minutes on the floor.
As far as thinking about how he affects Melo, you have it backwards. How does playing in the starting line-up affect Kristaps...because Melo's the obvious first option and we're actively targeting wings and bigs, which means he's not the second option either...possibly not even the third option. What can that potentially do for his confidence if you push him into a role to defer? He's not gonna hurt Melo, Melo will get his regardless.
He has a tweener body. His biggest weaknesses come from strength problems in the post and on the block at both ends of the court. He can get away with playing PF minutes but expect to watch him get abused against the bigger, stronger front courts in the league until he packs on more weight and core strength.
Think about those players doing that & dealing with NY. It's a different situation entirely.
Dirk really considered going back to Europe...while he played his first year in Dallas.
Imagine the psychological torment he'd have dealt with in NY.
storyteller
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Monta Ellis
Greg Monroe
David West
Build the team around KP and his development. Signing players just to make the playoffs and not be contenders is not the way to go. Only FA that makes the Knicks contenders immediately is Marc Gasol, no one else.
The emphasis should be on player development not making the playoffs
Monroe seems like a perfect fit next to KP imo. Good rebounder, post up player and a natural C who needs a PF that has both range and shotblocking to compliment his game. Monta Ellis I want no parts of. West I'd consider as a stop gap player and locker room presence/mentor while we bring KP along but not a long term addition.
