The fact that women want to constantly fight you for control while secretly subconsciously hoping they don't win means we're in a perpetual state of war. Men in this thread and just men in general have to stop this thinking your going to meet you a women that's going to "meet you half way".
Women don't want a work in progress they want a winner, the work in progress is ugly, the rage, the insecurity - all of it women aren't cut out for that. Red pill site and thread like this is like a machine shop where cars are in pieces being assembled/ repainted and whatever. Women be like " I don't want to see that, they're ugly, show me a shiny Lamborghini that car probaly dosent even start!" Women want the product with the perfect presentation and to be completely ignorant of the underlying layers that go into creating it.
Red pill and threads like this are hospitals for guys that wanna fix themselves up the best they can to be attractive and learn at times what a man should really be doing with his life and time. Men need to stop being brainwashed and get their balls back and start leading in this fukked up society and once your back to leading women will have no choice but to fall in line. This thread and others like it will always represent a place were women have NO power and they hate that. This thread has a bunch of men that are "works in progress" to be fukk able mental and physically. Guys that enter this thread gotta start talking about their insecurities and we're they truly struggle at. Men have to understand women they're not men so they don't understand the struggle, the grind, the sweat that it takes to become a man worth giving a damn about...and sometimes trying to walk this path is ...very lonely
You're right there is layers to this. The depths can be so deep that I think alot of men simply lie to themselves. They don't want to confront that dark place and look themselves in the mirror. I don't blame woman because at the end of the day a woman is only going to do to you what you allow. These guys that get taken for money/hustled most of the time either miss warning signs or ignore them. On the other end, you have guys who's ego's are so fragile they're scared to be turned down.
If you want to take it back to Adam and Eve it was the serpent that seduced Eve. In other words it was the side of "evil" that led Eve to to disobey God. Whether you believe in the bible or not, this story just goes to show that the "collective unconscious" has been fighting with these issues since the beginning of time. There is a reason the tree that Eve ate from was called the tree of wisdom. Sticking with Jung's collective unconscious idea is that we must descend into "evil" to really understand God itself. I put "evil" in quotes because Good/Bad is more of a matter of opinion than anything. Many men today have been moralized to death on how to interact with woman so they don't function as their true selves. Females can pick up on energy much faster than the average guy. If a man doesn't come across as secure, you give it away within the first 30 seconds of a conversation.
It's a lonely road to self improvement for males. Truth be told, most males don't want to help you out either. They're your competition. I helped some friends recently who where complaining about chicks flaking on them constantly and how to avoid it. Basically I told them to stop wasting time going out on 3 dates or multiple dates before you tell them what you want. When you're upfront you will either get a yes or no. If it's no you can move on and save wasted time. Anyway, one of the guys is doing much better now but he's become arrogant. I told him he would still be chasing his tail if I hadn't helped him and he acts like I never told him anything. As a man when you do help somebody, don't ever expect anything in return. That's just going to be the way it is. Also, no one owes you a damn thing in life. It might be a harsh reality, but the sooner you get that through your head the better off you will be. That's why it's important to work on improving yourself consistently. You can control if you go to the gym, practice an instrument, hiking, etc. You will eventually get better at whatever you put your time into. What the world throws at you, you don't have much say over. However, you do have say on how you let it impact your life.