Essential Quick Lil Gems on Dealing with Women

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I Don't Know Anything About Your Situation But If U Played It Too Ambiguous, Meaning You Didn't Want To Make Any Moves Cause You Were Afraid To Scare Her Off Than She's Probably Bored Of Going Out And Having Casual Conversations

Were The Dates Intimate Or Did They Feel Like Friend Dates?

Conversations Like

What Do You Want In A Relationship?

And

What Do You Want Out Of This Relationship?

Are Night And Day

It's Not Too Late To Reel Her Back In BTW If You Tell Her That's What You Want
 

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I Don't Know Anything About Your Situation But If U Played It Too Ambiguous, Meaning You Didn't Want To Make Any Moves Cause You Were Afraid To Scare Her Off Than She's Probably Bored Of Going Out And Having Casual Conversations

Were The Dates Intimate Or Did They Feel Like Friend Dates?

Conversations Like

What Do You Want In A Relationship?

And

What Do You Want Out Of This Relationship?

Are Night And Day

It's Not Too Late To Reel Her Back In BTW If You Tell Her That's What You Want


We kissed on the first date and every date afterwards, we held hands, we were touchy/feely and it was initiated by both parties but it wasn't overboard. We literally just saw each other on Thursday morning and text each other later in the day. However Friday came I sent a late morning text, when I didn't hear back about 8 hrs later I sent another text, still haven't heard from her. I def made it clear that I was interested in her and wanting this to develop and the same with her. Normally when a woman becomes flaky I usually sense it and get a gut feeling but with her this has thrown me completely off
 

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We kissed on the first date and every date afterwards, we held hands, we were touchy/feely and it was initiated by both parties but it wasn't overboard. We literally just saw each other on Thursday morning and text each other later in the day. However Friday came I sent a late morning text, when I didn't hear back about 8 hrs later I sent another text, still haven't heard from her. I def made it clear that I was interested in her and wanting this to develop and the same with her. Normally when a woman becomes flaky I usually sense it and get a gut feeling but with her this has thrown me completely off

I Wouldn't Go Off The Rail Just Yet

Don't Text Her Again, See What Excuse She Hits You With And See If It Was Legit Or If You Can Sense BS

The BS Usually Comes In Pairs, If She's Lying She'll Do Something Unusual Again That Will Set A Red Flag, At That Point Don't Dismiss Your Gut Feeling
 

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I Wouldn't Go Off The Rail Just Yet

Don't Text Her Again, See What Excuse She Hits You With And See If It Was Legit Or If You Can Sense BS

The BS Usually Comes In Pairs, If She's Lying She'll Do Something Unusual Again That Will Set A Red Flag, At That Point Don't Dismiss Your Gut Feeling


I had no intention of texting her again, and got a feeling I won't be hearing from her. I just didn't see this one coming like I usually do
 

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Current trend that I've noticed with white women is to over emphasize how much they enjoy a "glass wine or 4" which is actually some dumb shyt a girl who used to get turnt out at the club and come home pissy drunk would say after she realizes that shyt doesn't look cute anymore but can't be judged as harshly as wine since it's more "sophisticated"...nah girl youre just an alcoholic :camby: Avoid like the plague.
 
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first, u two were going out a lil too often...which is fine if u've fuccked her. u dont have a girl emotionally until u've fuccked. u may have worn out your freshness. if u haven't fuccked this chick, i dont know what to tell u bro. women want to feel wanted. she probably thought u saw her as a friend. or she now sees u as a friend


THIS is exactly what I was preaching in here 2 months ago. You're worst off if you haven't fukked. If you never made a move on her while given the opportunity to, she's just going to play you like a fukk nikka. In her eyes, she's thinking "This nikka don't want to take my p*ssy". So, based on that perception, she's going to friend-zone a nikka like that.

By giving a broad some dikk, you have given her something to remember. Even if the chick goes cold on you for a minute to "do her" she'll be back on that dikk. Meanwhile all the other nikkaz heavily commenting on her social media who HAVEN'T fukked are the ones really losing.
 
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Summary:

This thread discusses the things women say to deceive and manipulate nice guys, who are usually in the friend zone.



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So looking back at my nice guy days, I recall some things women have told me that in retrospect were attempts to project an innocent/prudish persona while keeping things at the "friendship" level.

I also realize these statements are somewhat different from shyt tests in that she uses shyt tests to determine alpha or beta status, whereas here she already assumed I was beta through my behavior (likely from failing earlier shyt tests). So I think women say different things to a man depending on whether he's alpha or beta.

To my bias, the core message women tell nice guys is:"I'm desirable, I'm getting the sex I want. I just need you to provide the attention and favors that my sex partners won't. Besides, I'm not attracted to niceness." And the foundation for her perpetual manipulation lies in the nice guy not being upfront with her about wanting to date her, and his lack of willingness to move on when she doesn't commit. I figure these statements should be brought to the light for blue pill men seeking answers.

So I'm going to list all the things I've heard and the translation to the best of my ability. Feel free to chime in with your own interpretation or other lies you've heard. I will update the OP as new information comes in, so consider this a community project of sorts.



Examples:

Her: "You're such a nice guy. Let's just be friends."

Translation: "I've already assumed you're a beta who I can use for attention and favors. I'm also not attracted to you and don't want anything beyond 'friendship'."



Her: "I really value our 'friendship'." or "Your 'friendship' means so much to me."

Translation: "I define our 'friendship' as you doing everything for me, and me doing very little for you. So I basically use you for attention and favors without having to reciprocate in kind (at least not in the way you would like). I'm also framing the nature of our relationship so you don't attempt to escalate it into something more."



Her: "I love the way you treat me. I love the things you do for me. I love the person you are."

Translation: "I strategically use the words 'love' and 'you' in the same sentence so you will erroneously assume that 'I love you'. That way you'll stay around longer as my servant in the false hope that I come around to loving you romantically someday."



Her: "That guy is such a jerk. I hate him."

Translation: "I'm secretly attracted to that guy, and likely having sex with him, but I want you to think I'm only interested in nice guys like you by pretending to hate jerks like him. That way you'll stay around longer as my servant."



Her: "Why can't I find a nice guy like you?" or "Why can't all men be more like you?"

Translation: "Why can't I find a nice guy like you that I am attracted to?" or "The guy I met only a few hours ago pumped and dumped me, and I wish I could find a man as hot as him but attentive like you." or "I'm pretending to flatter you with false hopes of something beyond friendship so you'll stay around longer and do my bidding."



Her: "You and I as a couple? I don't know. I value our 'friendship'. Let's take things slow. Let's not rush anything. Maybe someday."

Translation: "I'm not attracted to you in that way, but I don't want to lose the attention and favors you're giving me, so I'm pretending to be interested in something more while continuing to use you." or "I'll make you my plan B after I've fukked half the town and jumped off the carousel at 29. Do you like sloppy seconds?" (Beware if she wants to "reconnect" with you years after the "friendship" has ended).



Her: "You're such a good friend. You're like a brother to me. We have something beautiful here, and I don't want to ruin things between us."

Translation: "I know you're attracted to me, but I'm not attracted to you, and I want to keep you at the friendship/servant level by preventing you from escalating it into something more."



Her: "My last boyfriend abused me (or I was sexually assaulted in my past), so I'm cautious about getting intimate with men."

Translation: "I wasn't really abused, I'm just not attracted to you and I'm preventing you from escalating the friendship and triggering 'old wounds'. Hopefully you'll stay and help me 'heal' while I take advantage of you in the process. By the way, did you notice I have a Tinder account and go to the club every weekend?" (Watch her actions, not her words).



Her: "I have an STD."

Translation: "I don't really have an STD, but I'm preventing you from pursuing a sexual relationship with me. Go back to being my servant. Did you notice that I take my 'STDs' to the club every weekend?"



Her: "You wouldn't want a girl like me. I wouldn't be good for you."

Translation: "You're not attractive to me, but I'm wording it in a way that disqualifies me and makes you feel special." or "I've been manipulating you for attention and favors for quite some time. If you realized this you'd be pissed." or "You're relationship-oriented and clingy. And I'm more promiscuous and want no-strings attached sex that I'm already getting elsewhere. Hopefully you'll stay and 'fix me' while I take advantage of you in the process." (Here she is being truthful about you not wanting a girl like her, but she doesn't want to lose your attention and favors).



Her: "Just be yourself and you'll meet the right girl someday."

Translation: "I'm not interested in you romantically and I hope you don't meet the right girl soon, because I want to continue using you for attention and favors. Stay just as you are: wrapped around my finger."



Her: "I'm not a slut."

Translation: "I'm a slut, just when you're not around."



Her: "You're only pretending to be nice just to get into my pants."

Translation: "I'm shaming you for using our 'friendship' to get sex, to hide the fact that I'm using our 'friendship' to get attention and favors from you. I'm also preventing you from escalating the friendship by shaming you for wanting only sex from me. Go back to being my servant."



Her: "Being nice to me doesn't make you entitled to my body." or "Women are not vending machines that you put kindness coins into until sex falls out."

Translation: "I want you to think I'm a prudish good girl who's highly selective of only the most refined gentlemen, when in reality I'm only interested in getting pumped by jocks who I've only known for a few hours. I'm also shaming you for using our 'friendship' to get sex, to hide the fact that I'm using our 'friendship' to get attention and favors from you." or "I know you're jealous that I'm dating jerks instead of nice guys like you, but I'm not attracted to niceness."

(Women don't usually say the previous two examples to nice guys, but to other people to criticize nice guys while playing the victim. She knows he operates through acts of kindness to others, so she twists it to make him appear as deceptive and manipulative as she is. She's essentially telling others, "He's pretending to be nice to get sex from me but I'm not a slut," while conveniently withholding the fact that she's promiscuous and manipulating him.)



Her (when you request a favor): "I can't." or "Ugh. Okay, I guess."

Translation: "This is not how it's supposed to work. You're supposed to be doing what I want, not the other way around." (She has an attitude anytime you ask for a favor.)



Her: "Don't date that girl. She's not good enough for you. She's a slut. You can do so much better than her."

Translation: "That girl who's giving you the sex and affection that I refuse is taking away my attention and favors. I'm pretending to look out for your best interests as a 'friend' when I'm really only concerned about mine." (She's essentially cock-blocking other girls from taking her servant away from her).



Her: "Why are you avoiding me? Why don't we talk like we used to? I thought you were my friend."

Translation: "I'm sure the lack of sex and affection from me is taking its toll on you, but you're slacking in your obligation to give me attention and favors, and I'm shaming you for it."



Her: "Nice guys don't finish last. My boyfriend/husband is a nice guy!"

Translation: "I'm post-wall and Chad no longer wants me, so I've settled for a nice guy who I would have otherwise friendzoned."
 

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I will never put all my eggs in 1 basket again, some broad I only met 3 weeks ago got me all in my feelings today, while she probably getting touched up and filled up by some clown

You got the audacity to tell me multiple times how you enjoyed our time together, was sending me text about how she was looking forward to seeing me again, and all these other compliments. At least when girls have disappeared in the past they were not spitting even half the stuff you was and I put my faith in you incorrectly just to get tossed without even an explanation.

F this crap
 

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I will never put all my eggs in 1 basket again, some broad I only met 3 weeks ago got me all in my feelings today, while she probably getting touched up and filled up by some clown

You got the audacity to tell me multiple times how you enjoyed our time together, was sending me text about how she was looking forward to seeing me again, and all these other compliments. At least when girls have disappeared in the past they were not spitting even half the stuff you was and I put my faith in you incorrectly just to get tossed without even an explanation.

F this crap

"When you stay ready, you don't have to get ready" :manny:

Always be prepared for women to pull this type of shyt on you at any time. Things can be going so well, then they go ICE Cold out of the blue for a variety of reasons. You can't sweat it to much, if you feel disrespected, block her, and move on breh.
 
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WOMEN OF SUBSTANCE ARE MADE, NOT BORN


The average woman has typically little to offer of value to a man other than her body, some women are even self-aware enough to realise this and so they monopolise the fact by narcissistically spending all their time trying to look good, accentuating the only real asset that they have in order to gain power by becoming dominant in the realm of superficiality.

However in words uttered by the mouth, very few women will actually admit they are nothing other than a glorified excuse of a series of fukk holes, because such “dehumanisation” harms their ego, damaging the core of who they are, the outward persona that they’ve built up around themselves and the very narcissism they look to reinforce to feed this persona via external social validation; now cue a tirade of dopamine hits from filtered Instagram selfies, Facebook likes and her inability to put down a smart phone combined with a rigorous routine of careful makeup application and carefully selected clothing choices.

Patrice O’Neal demonstrated it best when he asked an entire crowd of women what they would do to keep their man if he was thinking of leaving them and they didn’t have a vagina, most of them said they would blow him or let him stick it in their ass. This was a covert test to see if women would objectify themselves or not, learning to cook better or engaging in hobbies and activities close to their man’s heart were non-sexual options, among others which were not the typical go to response of his audience. This example aside, women seem to objectify themselves, but don’t have the clarity of mind neither the narcissistic inclination to admit as such, certainly, cognitive dissonance is at play. They use their sexuality to get what they want via a process of strategic self-objectification whilst simultaneously possessing sentience and thus, agency. Patrice had to deceive the women in his audience with a little game in order to get the truth out of them and yes, surely, a comedy gig is not the best place to have a rational discussion about such things, but nevertheless, the measure of validity which can be taken from such an anecdote is quite eye-opening.

Having any negative opinion about woman no matter how well justified or well-reasoned it may be is automatically misogynistic in the eyes of women. You not only harm their egos by being critical of their group collective as they are of men, but their proclivity to be reactionary married to an addiction to emotional input means they become lost in the indignation and the wrath that follows from it, rather than attempt to critically deduce truths from the logic which you posit. In short, they do not respect logic and truth in the way that men do, they do not prioritise these things above everything else, no, they respect feelings above all else, and it is feelings which are of the utmost priority to womankind. Making women feel bad due to criticism is in and of itself a misogynous act as a far as a woman is concerned, because she does not like the negatively charged aspect of the turbulence you bring to her emotional whirlwind. Like Patrice would, if you use humour, you can get women to speak the truth, the delivery matters far more than the content when interacting with a woman, less straight-talk, more powertalk.

When looking around at the quality of modern-day women, the majority would be considered by men to be utterly disappointing long-term material, their traits, their composure and their very nature are all entirely questionable if not downright undesirable. Society downplays, justifies and otherwise ignores the weaknesses of women with cultural ignorance that mislabels objective criticism as misogyny, whilst it simultaneously and quite ironically misrepresents women in a positive light by projecting all these unsubstantiated idealistic qualities onto them, claiming that such qualities are fundamentally innate merits of the universal female identity.

In all its unfounded perversity, this baseless bullshyt is a type of religion, everyone believes blindly in “the goodness of women” because they have been raised to do so, contrary to the behaviour that women around them are actually engaging in on a daily basis. Even when said behaviour is found to be bad, it is always disregarded due to some baseless belief in female sanctity, which in reality is nothing more than an ideal, a projection, not an universal truth. It is this unfairly unrealistic deception, this hallucinogenic depiction of womankind that is presented to women, which leads men who begin to learn what women are like in nature to feel disillusioned and disenchanted, they feel this way because what they were taught to believe about women from a young age is far removed from who they really are. Whilst women are flattered by the bullshyt pandering that they are sugar and spice and everything nice – men are crushed by the fact that they are indeed, not so.

In comparison to all the hopes and dreams men have been fed to expect from women, it’s this perverse Disney funded fantasy that makes men everywhere feel duped, let-down and even misanthropic when they find themselves ill-equipped to cope with the let-down which is the modern-day woman.

Those living in today’s Anglosphere and western European civilizations should typically expect very little of women, so few are worthy of anything more than a rumble in the hay simply because they haven’t been raised right, cue the malignancy of the single mother epidemic and the erosion of conducive moral, religious and family values <here>. Even good company and banter with such women tends to be a rarity as quite a many of them lack the ability to be mentally stimulating on a conversational level. Occasionally you may find yourself pleasantly surprised and in such a circumstance run the risk of falling very hard for the woman in question, as in comparison to her brethren she will shine out like a lighthouse in a sea of drudgery with imposing prominence, however no matter her beneficial difference, she is a woman like any other. She has the same psychological and most importantly, emotional needs and as such will run all the usual shyt tests, making the same type of demands that the legions of broken women will, the question you will find yourself asking though is, is this one worth it?

For those who decide yes, such a woman is worth it, and are in the right phase of their life to do so, you have a project on your hands, one that will require much mental investment. If you want yourself a desirable woman you will have to cultivate femininity and desirability into her yourself if you deem she has the necessary raw material to become a desirable lady worthy of raising a family with, wife material. Such is the inherent focus of the red pill woman project.

Red pill women are women on a quest to be “wife/mother material” to the perception of a man, they are works in progress, the counterpart to the red pill philosophy. Essentially, they are guided by a social network of traditionally minded matriarchs and if in a serious relationship, the desires and authority of the man she has pledged her allegiance to. For those of us who have neither the time nor the inclination to practice the patience required to effectively create our own red pill woman, indulging in the idea of red pill women is not an option for us. Women of all kinds require vast reservoirs of patience and love as it is the basis of their erratic emotionalism which leads them to be ever demanding.

Heed me when I say that all red pill women are trained by men, they are not magically born out of the womb, a “unicorn” is merely a high quality red pill woman raised, cultivated and overseen by men of value, integrity and intelligence. Whether that man is her father or later on, a serious boyfriend, she is trained and maintained by men to be a quality woman. To an extent she is trained by her mother also, who respects the strength of an authoritarian man and imparts the ideas of the father onto her daughter by proxy, but a mother who was unable to secure a strong man, in her bitterness and ineptitude, will typically not pass on conducive moral and sexual values that will lead to romantic success for her daughter. After all, she cannot do for her daughter what she was unable to obtain for herself.

Often a woman who is of quality from a young age, non-promiscuous, good-natured, talented, intelligent, humorous, not hateful of men and emotionally stable is a woman who has had a good relationship with her father. Her father having been what for lack of a better term is considered an alpha male, instilling positive traits into her psyche with a firm, loving hand, raising her to respect men and accommodate them in the social contract; rather than hold them in contempt and challenge them as adversaries like mainstream society would indoctrinate.

It is the job of the man who commits to such a woman romantically to then maintain the legacy that her father left, good girls will turn bad in the absence of a strong male figure, for it is woman’s emotional transient nature which causes them to stray from the path of romantic success. It is woman’s emotional nature whether she consciously desires it or not that necessitates her need for strong trustworthy leadership, so that she may absolve herself of responsibility in her inevitable moments of weakness, she wants someone to lean on but fears that the dissolution of that responsibility will be abused, a connection of trust to a powerful man is what women crave.

In essence, this is why women tend to look for “men who were like their fathers” they seek dominance in which they can trust, and it is this dominance which allows them to remain emotionally stable, offloading their neuroticism onto the stoicism of the man that they pair with. Good women are not only made by men, but must also be maintained by men. In the absence of such leadership, women take on detrimental qualities in the name of “freedom”, being poor leaders themselves (due to the erraticism of emotionalism) and in the absence of authority (typically a strong patriarch and an equally traditional matriarch) they become feral and pursue self-destruction, always chasing the nearest perceivable “emotional high”, rather than planning ahead for the days where the temporary adrenaline-filled joyful experience that short-term liaisons provide are no longer available to them as their sexual appeal evaporates with age, leaving them without legacy and family with a firm foot in spinsterhood.

Essentially, all women have daddy issues (no I’m not going to qualify that as “most” or “some” but forthrightly tell you ALL), if he was a good father she wants a serious relationship with a man who was like her father, strong, compassionate, worldly, a badass, but with a soft spot unique to her, women love to feel special, in fact, they crave it. If she had a good father, as a man looking to date such a woman (a woman with a good father) your life has already been made infinitely easier by his diligence, he has already raised an appealing woman and then left the foundations in place to cultivate this valuable raw material into a long-term partner, a mother and a wife. However, the onus is on you to be strong enough to maintain the status quo, such a woman will not respect weakness and thus will not follow the lead of a man who is too inept to take charge, such a woman will hold you to the standard set by her father and as such will compare you both in starkness.

If her father was absent or otherwise a let-down, she wants her boyfriend to be everything he wasn’t, her mind has filled in the blanks with what he should have been, some of that of course will be complete fantastical bullshyt. What she will want in this scenario is for a man to essentially fill the emotional void the lack of a father figure left her with, whilst perversely in simultaneity she will find it hard to trust men due to her sense of abandonment. Maintaining a healthy, loving and conducive relationship with such a woman will be exceptionally difficult. She will effectively be both her own as well as your own worst enemy, actively sabotaging everything you’re trying to build with all the irrationality of her delinquency manifesting itself in the present day as morbid insecurity.

This is why women with poor relationships with their fathers are a massive red flag. When eying up a woman for a prospective long-term romantic engagement, find out what her relationship with her father is like, the absence of a father or a negative relationship with her father are massive red flags as she is already set-up to be a poor romantic prospect, mainly due to how she was (or wasn’t) raised. Single mothers quite simply are inept to raise quality children singlehandedly. The presence of a weak father is better than nothing, but typically you want her to have had a father who was a patriarch, a dominant man who taught her discipline so that her base schematic of “what men should be like” is healthy and isn’t formed from unhealthy feminist stereotypes and the ramblings of a bitter and romantically unsuccessful single mother. Still, even the presence of a patriarch in a young girl’s life isn’t always enough to ensure a quality woman; as the prevailing socially engineered cultural forces around her proactively do their utmost to undermine the will and intent that her father’s best interests have for her.

No matter the woman, she will test your patience; this is just women full-stop. Not got a lot of patience? Women are going to just piss you the hell off then. It does help however when a woman can offset this inherently annoying trait of trying a man’s patience by bringing more than merely a vagina to the table. As a man you should be informed that an inherently irrational being is going to do nothing but antagonise the patience of someone who thinks in logic rather than the cognitive cartwheels of reactive transient emotionalism.

The biggest flattery of all to women, which only an intelligent woman will realise, is that despite the sheer frustration and pain she causes him with her volatile emotivity, is that such a man still chooses to stick with her and provide for her despite her shortcomings. A female’s self-awareness of his sacrifice and a declaration of appreciation for that sacrifice goes a long way to help reconcile the huge fundamental differences in expectation that men and women have of each other, women being far more audaciously demanding and stringently needy by nature of their disposition than men are.
 

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Brehs... I just had sex with a virgin. She said she enjoyed it, but then as I was driving her home she started feeling guilty. She thinks she gave it up too early.

What do I say to her to reassure her? Or should I stop overthinking because virgins get attached
 

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Brehs... I just had sex with a virgin. She said she enjoyed it, but then as I was driving her home she started feeling guilty. She thinks she gave it up too early.

What do I say to her to reassure her? Or should I stop overthinking because virgins get attached
Stop overthinking. Let her go through the motions. She'll be alright
 
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