Essential Quick Lil Gems on Dealing with Women

[Thurgood Thurston III]

That was the point...you already have to have some kind of rapport. Though again, just because you failed at it, doesn't mean everyone else will. YMMV obviously. Though the major point - Stand out, always holds true.

I thought what you suggested were first approach openers? You wouldn't already have rapport if it's the first time you've talked to a woman.

Its rona season, you don't have to be that "sharp", there's no sense in being verbose if all you're looking for is a quick fukk. Even then, dikk and fart jokes have had men and women laughing for ages. Here's what doesn't work - high brow humor or searching for the perfect sentence, only to have it faded away by horrible texts back and forth.

No, you don't have to be sharp And I'm not saying everything you say has to be perfect. But telling guys who don't look like you to use corny lines is setting them up for failure. Better advice would be to speak the way you normally speak. Women get put off by incongruence. Be yourself. Don't be out here making fart jokes if she doesn't know you as that kinda guy. Be funny in your own way.

Now, if those lines were for achieving a specific goal then that would be fine.

Whether you're attractive or not. A lot of the time I see remarkably ugly men with hot girls. Its really not that hard, game has existed for decades, "make her laugh and she'll do anything" and "time + proximity = love" have been the E=MC² of their time.

I and many others have debunked this a billion times on here. I've had women who considered me the funniest and most charismatic man they've ever met and still not give me p*ssy. On the flipside, I've had women who hated my guts throw p*ssy at me. Their attraction towards me was the only measurable difference.

I'll give you credit though for at least giving actionable advice before. Most dudes on here usually just tell you some variation of "be confident have mouthpiece".

But to keep this productive, you should share a story. Let us know about the time some broad gave you issues and you used your "game" to solve it.

 

[TRUEST]

I'll give you credit though for at least giving actionable advice before. Most dudes on here usually just tell you some variation of "be confident have mouthpiece".

quoting for importance.

 

[DaRealness]

 

[Killigraphy]

No, you don't have to be sharp And I'm not saying everything you say has to be perfect. But telling guys who don't look like you to use corny lines is setting them up for failure. Better advice would be to speak the way you normally speak. Women get put off by incongruence. Be yourself. Don't be out here making fart jokes if she doesn't know you as that kinda guy. Be funny in your own way.

Now, if those lines were for achieving a specific goal then that would be fine.


I and many others have debunked this a billion times on here. I've had women who considered me the funniest and most charismatic man they've ever met and still not give me p*ssy. On the flipside, I've had women who hated my guts throw p*ssy at me. Their attraction towards me was the only measurable difference.

I'll give you credit though for at least giving actionable advice before. Most dudes on here usually just tell you some variation of "be confident have mouthpiece".

But to keep this productive, you should share a story. Let us know about the time some broad gave you issues and you used your "game" to solve it.

To address everything simply; not everything is going to work, however, if you're starting at zero, then you really have nothing to lose. I broke it down for a lot of guys in my pornstar thread, I've worked with plenty of women, have had hours of conversation. Women don't know what they want, but they know what they like. A corny line might work for me 9 times out of 10 and fail for you to the same ratio. Its too nuance to poke holes in. I've seen handsome guys fails/ugly guys succeed, and vice versa. Confidence is key sure, but natural rapport beats everything else. I've had guys on here come to the club pre covid, and see how they approach. A lot of the time the "being yourself" angle, doesn't work because you simply might not be as impressive as you say you are online. That's not a jab, simply that most guys think they know how to talk to women, yet get bashful when it comes to approach.

I'm not saying I found some sort of secret, I know that certain actions work for me because they aren't the same one liners used by thirsty guys on IG/DM's. That much is true to the human psyche, we're attracted to the extraordinary, and ignore the mundane/ordinary. I'm not saying only use a corny line, the goal is to be different, not by much, but 20% above the average.

As for stories, I've run into the bougie/pretty girl, plenty of times working the door as a bouncer. So I'm used to the "you're not my type" response, which to me is perfect, since that means I'm usually in. Time + proximity is undeniable, we know couples who have worked or went to school together and developed something. So in that case, that simple math works. Game is a tad more nuanced, but certain tact holds true. What sounds corny or irrational to you, might work for me, since I'm at the end of the night, standing out. Failure is part of the process.

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

To address everything simply; not everything is going to work, however, if you're starting at zero, then you really have nothing to lose. I broke it down for a lot of guys in my pornstar thread, I've worked with plenty of women, have had hours of conversation. Women don't know what they want, but they know what they like. A corny line might work for me 9 times out of 10 and fail for you to the same ratio. Its too nuance to poke holes in. I've seen handsome guys fails/ugly guys succeed, and vice versa. Confidence is key sure, but natural rapport beats everything else. I've had guys on here come to the club pre covid, and see how they approach. A lot of the time the "being yourself" angle, doesn't work because you simply might not be as impressive as you say you are online. That's not a jab, simply that most guys think they know how to talk to women, yet get bashful when it comes to approach.

I'm not saying I found some sort of secret, I know that certain actions work for me because they aren't the same one liners used by thirsty guys on IG/DM's. That much is true to the human psyche, we're attracted to the extraordinary, and ignore the mundane/ordinary. I'm not saying only use a corny line, the goal is to be different, not by much, but 20% above the average.

As for stories, I've run into the bougie/pretty girl, plenty of times working the door as a bouncer. So I'm used to the "you're not my type" response, which to me is perfect, since that means I'm usually in. Time + proximity is undeniable, we know couples who have worked or went to school together and developed something. So in that case, that simple math works. Game is a tad more nuanced, but certain tact holds true. What sounds corny or irrational to you, might work for me, since I'm at the end of the night, standing out. Failure is part of the process.

I feel what you're saying. All I wanted to point out was that WHO is saying the line matters a lot. My friends used to give me their social media accounts to talk to women for them. Sometimes I would come across a woman that I hit up with my own account before but rejected me. When I used my friends' account to hit up the same woman, with the same exact lines, in the same time frame, I succeeded. This happened the other way around too. I understand that an interesting line will catch a woman's attention but it won't make her suddenly want you. I've seen many womens' inboxes and texts. They claim to hate "hi" and "wyd" but they'll fukk with it from a guy they want. There's a fine line between standing out and being corny. A lot of guys will talk themselves out the p*ssy trying to be something they're not. Ask these guys to show their rejections and you'll notice that there's always some weird ass line that's out of place. They do it in real life too. If you have a woman that's decently interested, in my opinion, it's best to stick to the "script" (not literally) until you smash. The game is about finding the women who want you and making them believe that they're right about wanting you. The best way to do that is by minimizing unnecessary risk.

And I'm not doubting your claims about standing out. I get it. I'm just saying that it won't save you if the woman is not interested at all.

Let me counter my own argument. There was this one guy who gave advice to add travel pictures to your profiles. He wasn't 6ft and didn't look like Jason Momoa. Yet, he was able to pull women off of that. It's measurable, concrete, and practicable. No nuance since you'll hardly find anyone who doesn't enjoy traveling.

There was another guy not too many pages back who said he got way more Tinder matches by adding a specific line to his bio. Two different guys actually did this. Now, it is similar to your case where it may just work for them only, but you know what all these have in common?

Unlike your advice, they have a before and after. All of these guys were able to tell us the differences in their success rate after the change they made. The real gems always tell you what exactly changed.

Yet, they still would never be able to tell if they turned a woman from unattracted to attracted. They weren't claiming that it did either.

I thought that's what you were claiming which is why I went at you so hard in the first place. A lot of guys have been ruined because of that notion. They're walking around frustrated and entitled because they were sold that lie. And when you can't measure the advice you're given, you don't know what to blame when it doesn't work.

I know the time and proximity effect. It's not as effective as it used to be due to social media but it's solid. The problem is that it's gambling on that woman not really having better options or those options slipping up. I've seen it fail countless times due to the woman having a better suitor. Also, it's not efficient if you're looking for regular casual sex. However, it is by far the best chance an average guy has at getting a woman "out of his league".

Explain what you mean by "natural rapport" though. You might have a different definition than what I'm thinking.

And most importantly how do you apply it?

 

[Noriega]

When grandma start asking “You find you a new girlfriend yet”

 

[Guvnor]

"The baddies are insecure, the stagnant woman want to travel and the close minded women want you to teach them things" - Joe Budden Podcast Episode 411 (about 2 hours 49 minutes in)

Lettuce discuss this Is that a bar or what?

 

[Apollo Creed]

"The baddies are insecure, the stagnant woman want to travel and the close minded women want you to teach them things" - Joe Budden Podcast Episode 411 (about 2 hours 49 minutes in)

Lettuce discuss this Is that a bar or what?

All of them are insecure, their "grouping" just shows what their insecurity causes them to lean to. I'm not sure what the 'close minded' thing is as close minded people do not want to learn anything.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I feel what you're saying. All I wanted to point out was that WHO is saying the line matters a lot. My friends used to give me their social media accounts to talk to women for them. Sometimes I would come across a woman that I hit up with my own account before but rejected me. When I used my friends' account to hit up the same woman, with the same exact lines, in the same time frame, I succeeded. This happened the other way around too. I understand that an interesting line will catch a woman's attention but it won't make her suddenly want you. I've seen many womens' inboxes and texts. They claim to hate "hi" and "wyd" but they'll fukk with it from a guy they want. There's a fine line between standing out and being corny. A lot of guys will talk themselves out the p*ssy trying to be something they're not. Ask these guys to show their rejections and you'll notice that there's always some weird ass line that's out of place. They do it in real life too. If you have a woman that's decently interested, in my opinion, it's best to stick to the "script" (not literally) until you smash. The game is about finding the women who want you and making them believe that they're right about wanting you. The best way to do that is by minimizing unnecessary risk.

And I'm not doubting your claims about standing out. I get it. I'm just saying that it won't save you if the woman is not interested at all.

Let me counter my own argument. There was this one guy who gave advice to add travel pictures to your profiles. He wasn't 6ft and didn't look like Jason Momoa. Yet, he was able to pull women off of that. It's measurable, concrete, and practicable. No nuance since you'll hardly find anyone who doesn't enjoy traveling.

There was another guy not too many pages back who said he got way more Tinder matches by adding a specific line to his bio. Two different guys actually did this. Now, it is similar to your case where it may just work for them only, but you know what all these have in common?

Unlike your advice, they have a before and after. All of these guys were able to tell us the differences in their success rate after the change they made. The real gems always tell you what exactly changed.

Yet, they still would never be able to tell if they turned a woman from unattracted to attracted. They weren't claiming that it did either.

I thought that's what you were claiming which is why I went at you so hard in the first place. A lot of guys have been ruined because of that notion. They're walking around frustrated and entitled because they were sold that lie. And when you can't measure the advice you're given, you don't know what to blame when it doesn't work.

I know the time and proximity effect. It's not as effective as it used to be due to social media but it's solid. The problem is that it's gambling on that woman not really having better options or those options slipping up. I've seen it fail countless times due to the woman having a better suitor. Also, it's not efficient if you're looking for regular casual sex. However, it is by far the best chance an average guy has at getting a woman "out of his league".

Explain what you mean by "natural rapport" though. You might have a different definition than what I'm thinking.

And most importantly how do you apply it?

I think we over complicate Gender relations.

'Pulling' a women boils down to proximity. Men deemed "lesser than" are not in proximity [socially] of women deemed 'greater than' thus there is no chance for either of them to truly get to know each other. There are environments that create false senses of proximity such as a lounge BUT people breaking into a social circle deemed "greater than them" tend to come off as awkward or off putting as that entry is artificial.

When it comes to life, High School & College are usually the easiest places to meet people, thus they are the easiest places to create proximity. You'll notice most people see a sharp decline post college or post HS (if they did not attend college), in their dating prospects.

'dating apps' create a false sense of Proximity for both genders which essentially leads to information overload or analysis paralysis. You have it where women will not give the time of day to someone who is on their level due to the literal next swipe presenting a man who she may deem more attractive, the cycle continues and ultimately she ends up with nothing. For men due to women going through information overload the men tend to end up with nothing because ultimately the woman aren't really choosing anyone.

For dating apps the edge cases of sex occurring is due to Men literally accepting anyone who offers sex, and women submitting to men they deem higher than them (hypergamy but in this instance purely from the context of physical looks). As a man the better you 'look' the higher volume of interest you generate, which leads to the higher probability of sex you may have. For women, those who are at the highest ranking aren't even on these apps, so there is no real case of women running out of options, its more so keep swipping until you see someone a level above you.

As a man you really shouldn't even get on a dating app until you reach the best you can look physically, because the nature of this stuff, game and personality doesn't matter because you won't even get a chance to present it.

 

[Actually6Foot3]

Downloaded Hinge Thursday night for the first time since probably last Summer....they got this newshyt called "standouts" which is basically profiles that they separate from the rest of the standard pool you of profiles swipe through

No cocky shyt but I was use to seeing and matching with the baddies especially for black and hispanic women. Now all those women are in standouts only section. I have to send them "roses" and each Rose is $2.99 Hinge done lost their damn mind. I was wondering why I was sifting through nothing but grenades, trannies and goth chics in the regular section before I realized they had a new section called standouts.

How do you easily create and make gifs cause this shyt is a straight up trainwreck of an app I need y'all to see the selections

 

[Apollo Creed]

Downloaded Hinge Thursday night for the first time since probably last Summer....they got this newshyt called "standouts" which is basically profiles that they separate from the rest of the standard pool you of profiles swipe through

No cocky shyt but I was use to seeing and matching with the baddies especially for black and hispanic women. Now all those women are in standouts only section. I have to send them "roses" and each Rose is $2.99 Hinge done lost their damn mind. I was wondering why I was sifting through nothing but grenades, trannies and goth chics in the regular section before I realized they had a new section called standouts.

How do you easily create and make gifs cause this shyt is a straight up trainwreck of an app I need y'all to see the selections

GIPHY | Search All the GIFs & Make Your Own Animated GIF

 

[MikelArteta]

Downloaded Hinge Thursday night for the first time since probably last Summer....they got this newshyt called "standouts" which is basically profiles that they separate from the rest of the standard pool you of profiles swipe through

No cocky shyt but I was use to seeing and matching with the baddies especially for black and hispanic women. Now all those women are in standouts only section. I have to send them "roses" and each Rose is $2.99 Hinge done lost their damn mind. I was wondering why I was sifting through nothing but grenades, trannies and goth chics in the regular section before I realized they had a new section called standouts.

How do you easily create and make gifs cause this shyt is a straight up trainwreck of an app I need y'all to see the selections

I fear that hinge will get greedy and make like searching by race a paywall and ish

 

[MikelArteta]

I think we over complicate Gender relations.

'Pulling' a women boils down to proximity. Men deemed "lesser than" are not in proximity [socially] of women deemed 'greater than' thus there is no chance for either of them to truly get to know each other. There are environments that create false senses of proximity such as a lounge BUT people breaking into a social circle deemed "greater than them" tend to come off as awkward or off putting as that entry is artificial.

When it comes to life, High School & College are usually the easiest places to meet people, thus they are the easiest places to create proximity. You'll notice most people see a sharp decline post college or post HS (if they did not attend college), in their dating prospects.

'dating apps' create a false sense of Proximity for both genders which essentially leads to information overload or analysis paralysis. You have it where women will not give the time of day to someone who is on their level due to the literal next swipe presenting a man who she may deem more attractive, the cycle continues and ultimately she ends up with nothing. For men due to women going through information overload the men tend to end up with nothing because ultimately the woman aren't really choosing anyone.

For dating apps the edge cases of sex occurring is due to Men literally accepting anyone who offers sex, and women submitting to men they deem higher than them (hypergamy but in this instance purely from the context of physical looks). As a man the better you 'look' the higher volume of interest you generate, which leads to the higher probability of sex you may have. For women, those who are at the highest ranking aren't even on these apps, so there is no real case of women running out of options, its more so keep swipping until you see someone a level above you.

As a man you really shouldn't even get on a dating app until you reach the best you can look physically, because the nature of this stuff, game and personality doesn't matter because you won't even get a chance to present it.

Yeah game etc doesn’t matter it’s all about looks on apps.


As well for females even if she looks average an attractive guy will still Match with her because he perceives it as an easy lay just being honest

As well Thing is some people look horrible in a still photo but in real life

the other day this chick matched with me she was just meh looking to me from her photos

anyways we ended up FaceTiming and she was like

and then I’ve had the opposite happened chick looks amazing in photos then we face time and she’s fat

I agree it’s hard for the average man to break through so to speak

 

[Germms]

My girl always moping around the house talking about she bored and shyt. Nobody wanna be around that shyt at all.

 

[Apollo Creed]

My girl always moping around the house talking about she bored and shyt. Nobody wanna be around that shyt at all.

lol all fun and games till she get a splackavelli