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Superstar
So much disrespect to killa in here 
Settle this debate for me. Was Cam'ron ever a superstar?
- Thread starter BlackMagnus514
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We notsaying cats was going gaga for Wu like the Asians and Cacs, yet you couldn't deny the infectiousness of The Wu..
You mean to tell me NOBODY was bumping Cream or Can it be so simple..Wu crossover tracks...where u was at?
cream but I never even heard the other one...But I did hear cream when I was a youngin and saw it on jukebox.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
during iww, and the release of the video to:
if i ruled the world
nas was a superstar who ironically and for all puns intended as a rapper, was ruling the world as a rap superstar, breh.
now, granted he never got his draw to that same fever pitch.
where he dominated, from anywhere to fueling/elongating the mtv saturation method science.
yet, nas was a superstar, breh.
i may not agree with him selling out.
yet, he did sellout and became a fully actualized pop meets rap superstar, breh.
if he never did that, no one could have came behind him and been an other worldly skilled rapper and blew up, period.
art barr
what arenas did he fill up tho? the closest he came was being a mid-carder with the firm on that other puffy tour.
how many non-rap fans knew about nas? how many bells did his name or any of his songs ring amongst '90s grandparents?
rap superstar? sure.
superstar? nah i dont see it.
I guess boosie is a superstar then since he is selling out arenas all over the south 
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
he's in his hometown
like the other dude who named london and paris
y'all do know there are 195 countries in the world right??
but this will go on forever... like any genre or sport
people say cp3 is a superstar.. others think he's a star but not a superstar cause he never won a ring and probably don't have that worldwide name like bron or kobe
and y'all doing the same thing SAS was doing "i never said superstar..... i said superstar POINT GUARD" the same way y'all are saying "cam was a RAP superstar" nah nikka you either a superstar or you not.. and if you not crossing all genres and all fans in all of the world.. you ain't no damn superstar
was dipset popping... hell yea.. but at the very height of their fame, their leader did 1 plat at a time when his own label mate was doing 5 million...
their first album... which was a DOUBLE... went gold... which means it only sold 250k..
come on now... lets be serious here
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
gucci has never had the same success as cam, breh.
as a matter of fact,...
gucci is the litmus test.
that showed that the discovery zone and fukkery used to create platinum rap stars.
for a decade from 1995-2005, was all a part of the government's plan.
to use rap to stimulate and strengthen the profit building of the prison industrial complex.
gucci not becoming an actual large selling artist upon debut and going into hard to kill.
signaled the end of the discovery zone of african american poverty, and its profit for the prison industrial complex.
to segueway into the applied knowledge region we are currently in, now.
as resume wise, in relation to what made an artist blow during the discovery zone era.
which occurred during the sales spike era, to the close of it.
gucci had the formula and resume for a rap superstar past the hilt.
when gucci did not blow up, that signaled the end of the sales spike era.
in that, gucci never blew and never even had not one actual single on the same level as even horse and carriage let alone oh boy.
gucci was never a higher draw than cam'ron , ever.
maybe in his region he had more shows.
which is because the venues are larger and the road to those venues are closer together.
yet, in a real draw outside of his region.
gucci was never anywhere near cam during his chwm era.
as cam's drawing era was only shut off by administrative coup.
it was above gucci's draw.
a gucci mane draw, who never really drew on that level nationally.
let alone worldwide, to rival cam's draw.
i know so, as real talk....
i am the lone actual poster.
who even made it possible to even post about gucci in this community, period.
not to mention, when i used to give gucci mane props before no pad, no pencil in the real world.
way before even freaky girl to no pad no pencil.
people said he was goofy mane, and blindly rode jeezy's wave.
instead of realizing, quite possibly...
the best output for jeezy as an actual artist could have possibly been penned by gucci mane.
plus, in the real world,.....
gucci only had moderate success.
after he had to purposefully dumb down on the no pad no pencil/movie era.
when, cam had already assailed to a mythos on here.
plus, worldwide on a level gucci has never and will never get to.
as a matter of fact, gucci still clings to a sales model.
that is no longer effective and has been phased out for close to a decade, now.
in that decade gucci has never drawn anywhere near close to cam'ron, ever.
i think you forget what cam's pedigree is.
first off, cam is big L's protege with mase.
secondly, following a big L cosign.
the same big L, who is the next evolutionary link in the lord finesse pedigree.
cam is the protege to big and big's flagship.
cam, does not use his connection to being big's protege to its most effective point.
yet, that also shows how much larger cam is.
as, cam has created three different drawing eras, as a signed artist.
one based on being big's flagship with mase/badboy cosign features.
another era based on ramping up skill, with rocafella.
then, another drawing era based on salvaging the remnants of his roc draws, through film and supplemental releases.
gucci is still on his first drawing era.
which is still patterned after subsequent useless pr.
that extends and still uses the pac/mtv/jail bid formula.
instituted in the beginning of what would become the sales spike era.
all based on stimulating the prison economy system using rap as its marketing tool.
a drawing era, which has been squelched.
as a superstar drawing mechanism for rappers for close to a decade, now.
in that decade, gucci has never generated a return similar to cam's, EVER.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
i know he can't be serious.
as MOOd, got to draw collectively as a group and get signed nationally.
all based on the production of hi-tec.
whose sound is given a nod on a pure instant sonic level gratification, originally.
as a nod to the wu.
plus, the mood collective was signed as a instant linkage based draw.
in some form or fashion because of the impact to the wu.
plus, as an newly signed group.
MOOD, was on the able to draw on underbill of the operation push shows.
the same operation push style shows and venue.
where rae/gf shook down tone b nimble and acquired heat from local gangsta affiliates in chicago.
which were spoke about on record.
all because they were similar to the WU, in some style or scope.
when, it came to other labels finding groups to market.
that were amalgamations of the superstar draw of the WU.
not to mention, any and every label who used the group template to draw largely.
after the wu singlehandidly changed the admin work for all labels, as well.
the wu completely revolutionized the music industry from an admin standpoint.
you have to be a superstar group to have that type of influence over an entire industry.
not to mention, the wu were global multi-medium stars.
who were a standard pop house hold name.
which was pr'd strictly off of two letters or one solid logo.
let alone the connection to asian action films, and scores.
anyone doubting the wu are superstars are living a lie.
art barr
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
you really don't understand the drawing eras or what took place from the influence of the wu-tang clan.
just for simple starters further down the timeline...
the wu are responsible for ushering in the largest drawing marketing area for rap.
as the leo burnett voltron sprite ads, were all given light from a wu tang interlude.
helped usher rap and hiphop into a global pop phenomenon.
where it soon became the leading factor to market any and every product around the world.
that very wu-tang interlude predated the very ad campaign by three of the highest drawing years for any one group in rap history.
who were not bone, to run dmc.
your comments easily illustrate you don't know the actual culture or the businesses.
that surround hiphop that well.
as you don't understand the timeline.
plus, your comments reek of someone.
who was not at all cognitive to understand what occurred in the business.
nor, what profit building and change the wu tang clan single-handidly stimulated.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
you don't understand the drawing gens for the business of booking shows.
let alone rap, as it took place.
as you are asking nas's largest drawing superstar years.
to be synomous with arena based ticket sales.
when, at that exact time.
rap, was not a large arena drawing medium.
plus, rappers were not able to draw or garner any pay froma venue.
anywhere near lower drawing artist in other genre's.
plus the premium for rap shows were a completely different animal at that exact time, as well.
you are always offbrand and offkey about any and most eras in the rap business.
this is another instance of that.
as you are asking for nas to be subject to components of what constitue a superstar.
before that was a qualification drawwise for a rap superstar.
you clearly were not in the know or cognitive about this era, of business.
to even speak on whether nas was a superstar or not.
plus, the criteria you are subjecting nas to.
did not even exist for rappers in that time period.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
the funny part is,...
the wu helped and directly attributed to the mainstream boom and sales spike era.
that would later make rap become a bigger mainstream popular culture phenom.
he is making a comment on the wu being a draw.
when, the wu helped to pioneer the later criteria as to what would substantiate a superstar.
for the gen, he came up in to associate rap superstardom with.
@NatiboyB
it is completely obvious you were not cognitive about rap or hiphop culture.
when, the wu were creating their draw.
as it is obvious and crystal clear you were NOT logged into the culture.
let alone the actual rap genre, in that area, either.
art barr
killa c, was neva a superstar.
he was a star. people knew him in the rap game. and a few people in the states knew him as a rapper thats somewhat famous.
he was never Nas, biggie, jay, 50, snoop, ja rule(with the singing) level stardom. where he could travel to mars and people would know who he was.
he never got that big. the reason people or i should say kids and youngins at the time of his rise really believes he was a star. is because his influence on that generation of hiphop fans.
but How he reached them was not the same way as jay, biggie, etc. he didnt reach them thru the radio only. since he only had one hit song(oh boy). he reached them thru semi underground channels. this is why everyone champions him still. because a guy that can have that much success but remain slightly underground. is a KING to the hiphop heads.
but no he was never a SUPER star.
now the props i will give him and juelz ,etc with that dipset movement and just the manner in which they carried themselves. they are the reasons this new gen start talking about swag. they were trying to emulate dipset.
he was a star. people knew him in the rap game. and a few people in the states knew him as a rapper thats somewhat famous.
he was never Nas, biggie, jay, 50, snoop, ja rule(with the singing) level stardom. where he could travel to mars and people would know who he was.
he never got that big. the reason people or i should say kids and youngins at the time of his rise really believes he was a star. is because his influence on that generation of hiphop fans.
but How he reached them was not the same way as jay, biggie, etc. he didnt reach them thru the radio only. since he only had one hit song(oh boy). he reached them thru semi underground channels. this is why everyone champions him still. because a guy that can have that much success but remain slightly underground. is a KING to the hiphop heads.
but no he was never a SUPER star.
now the props i will give him and juelz ,etc with that dipset movement and just the manner in which they carried themselves. they are the reasons this new gen start talking about swag. they were trying to emulate dipset.
i think some of you aren't really looking at this objectively. There was a TIME PERIOD where cam was indeed a superstar. It might've been shorter than leprechauns but Cam and the dip set had shyt on LOCK for a minute, and this is coming from someone whose NEVER been a cam'ron fan and thinks he's borderline mediocre as a rapper. He's not a LEGEND in the way Jay or Nas is (which is another stratosphere). But he briefly attained superstar status.
and lastly. if you really want to know the answer. look no further then this thread. you do not have a consensus yes he's a star answer. that tells you all you need to know.
have you ever seen a thread about jay, nash, biggie, 50, ja rule, snoop, eminem, dmx, etc asking "hey were they stars in their primes?"
because thats a silly question. of course they were.
see how easy it is to answer that question with those guys. but if you replace a name with cam. you have to start wondering. welllll. not reallly...maybe....
have you ever seen a thread about jay, nash, biggie, 50, ja rule, snoop, eminem, dmx, etc asking "hey were they stars in their primes?"
because thats a silly question. of course they were.
see how easy it is to answer that question with those guys. but if you replace a name with cam. you have to start wondering. welllll. not reallly...maybe....
read my last post. if we dont all agree that dude was a superstar. guess what? he wasnt one.
its really that simple.
we're not asking who liked him or didnt like him. we're asking a factual question about his status to the world. we are apart of that world. and some of us are saying NO. so therefore he isnt a superstar. superstars are superstars to EVERYONE that knows them. not some people.