Settle this debate for me. Was Cam'ron ever a superstar?

[Art Barr]

Dipset was MUCH bigger in Cleveland than Wu Tang....easily.


I've never heard anyone playing no fukking Wu Tang riding down the street


Wasn't nobody trying to hear them dust heads trying to kick knowledge

you are also, showing you were not cognitive about the culture.
let alone, rap when the wu were helping to reforge and creating the new criteria.
that the industry would later use to authenicate rap superstars a decade later when the dips.
draw was only a miniscle fraction.
when compared to the wutang's draw that predate the dips by a decade.
not to mention, all of coc, close to five years after the wu.
created the admin changes and industrial spark for change.
coc was all directly influenced by the wu tang clan.

as coc was known as a wutang ripoff group.
who changed their direction from the eight is enough crew/big L, lord finesse/diamond d/ditc by way of the native tongues pre-platinum drawing connection.
from the impact of diamond's and jamar's feature on tribe's low end theory.

as groups like:

coc
yaggfu front
umc's

were all lambasted into a non-draw from all being direction changing biters of wu tang material.
which is evident from just cam on the surface being a ghostface stan.
before the term stan would be crafted five yeas later by eminem on marshall mathers LP, as slang.

you did nuffin but expose you really are not and were not into hiphop or rap, to speak on this topic.
to make a comment on who was or not a rap superstar in that era.


art barr

 

[rapbeats]

Dipset was MUCH bigger in Cleveland than Wu Tang....easily.


I've never heard anyone playing no fukking Wu Tang riding down the street


Wasn't nobody trying to hear them dust heads trying to kick knowledge

so someone just made this tape for the hell of it?

"Wu Tang Triumph 2013 Tribute Mixtape (cleveland Edition)"
Various Artists - Wu Tang Triumph 2013 Tribute Mixtape (cleveland Edition) Hosted by BIGMERL25 & TWOSIXTEENS - Mixtapes @ DatPiff.com

 

[Art Barr]

and lastly. if you really want to know the answer. look no further then this thread. you do not have a consensus yes he's a star answer. that tells you all you need to know.


have you ever seen a thread about jay, nash, biggie, 50, ja rule, snoop, eminem, dmx, etc asking "hey were they stars in their primes?"

because thats a silly question. of course they were.

see how easy it is to answer that question with those guys. but if you replace a name with cam. you have to start wondering. welllll. not reallly...maybe....

i think people are confusing the doors that opened from that drawing gen.
with the criteria for what constituted a rap superstar in that era was.
in the sales spike era,...
based upon that criteria that was formulated in 1999, solidly.

cam would have been recognized in the oh boy era as a rap superstar for the one period of time.
when chwm, was in its first drawing cycle.

the administrative coup that occurred in rocafella via dame/lyor/jay.
squelched cam and their superstar drawing envelope from going further than other artist in that era got to typically operate.

so, it may not have been that long.
yet, cam and the dips were superstars for the drawing envelope of at the very least:

oh boy
hey ma
chwm

leading into the admin coup that took place around ether, and jay being unearthed in a coup with lyor going to warner.
which eventually lead to the administrative fiasco.
that hampered every old guard defjam artist.
as jay was given the presidency to stay pat with defjam as an organization.


it is just like ruff ryders to eve were rap superstars.
yet, the drawing envelope for their superstardom was not long enough.
that many people will consistently recognize they had assailed to superstardom as a collective.

i think people forget,..
when big/pac died.
the glass ceiling for rap opened completely up.
where it allowed a number of groups to assail to rap superstardom from 1996-2001.
before another glass ceiling was erected via most being under the universal rap recording umbrella.

as the criteria for rap superstardom was being re-written.
in that, everything from draw/booking/sales/permeation etc.

all changed and rap was brokered to new markets and media with a non-constrictive fervor.
as long as it appealed to the prison industrial complex in some immediate scope.

in that envelope of 1996-2001.
cam did become a rap superstar as well as a few other rappers.
who maybe scoffed at in retrospect, when inaccurrately judged upon a later gen's solidified critieria.
not the actual criteria for that drawing envelope and time.
that constituted what a rap superstar was for that exact drawing era.




art barr

 

[Wacky D]

you don't understand the drawing gens for the business of booking shows.
let alone rap, as it took place.
as you are asking nas's largest drawing superstar years.
to be synomous with arena based ticket sales.
when, at that exact time.
rap, was not a large arena drawing medium.
plus, rappers were not able to draw or garner any pay froma venue.
anywhere near lower drawing artist in other genre's.
plus the premium for rap shows were a completely different animal at that exact time, as well.

you are always offbrand and offkey about any and most eras in the rap business.
this is another instance of that.
as you are asking for nas to be subject to components of what constitue a superstar.
before that was a qualification drawwise for a rap superstar.

you clearly were not in the know or cognitive about this era, of business.
to even speak on whether nas was a superstar or not.
plus, the criteria you are subjecting nas to.
did not even exist for rappers in that time period.


art barr

no chit sherlock.

if you follow my classic threads, you'd know that i already covered this and youre not telling me anything new.

the fact remains that nas was not popular enough at any time to pull that off. nor did he go the route of touring with an r&b or rock act(s), which alot of the actual superstars were doing at that time - which im sure your cognitive about, but since you want to play 'jump the gun', one could assume that youre not cognitive of that, if they wanted to base what you know off of this post alone.

 

[Art Barr]

no chit sherlock.

if you follow my classic threads, you'd know that i already covered this and youre not telling me anything new.

the fact remains that nas was not popular enough at any time to pull that off. nor did he go the route of touring with an r&b or rock act(s), which alot of the actual superstars were doing at that time - which im sure your cognitive about, but since you want to play 'jump the gun', one could assume that youre not cognitive of that, if they wanted to base what you know off of this post alone.

first off, nas in the nineties was not an artist even in his superstardom.
that could be counted on as a reliable performer, at all, period.
as i have posted on numeous occassions about nas no showing consistently from 94-2001.
coupled with the complexion of booking in large venues for rap.

so, that is why nas's bookings were lacking.
yet, and still....
nas was a superstar, breh.
when, iww broke.

that was in a day and age.
when, the industry was not receptive of any draws from rap.
at the time, who were not mainstream pop associated draws.
when, iww broke....
it was one of the first times a fully culturally based artist from a grassroots level.
who came from the lineage of the protectors of the culture.
who squelched the draw of hammer.
was boosted to the next level.
which is why nas selling out was such dastardly deed.
as the culture's protection mechanism, if nas had not of sold out.
as far as rap was concerned, had almost damn near fully cleansed the pop realm.
of the commercial sentiments of any oldschool way of thought based draws in the mainstream.

nas, was the next first fully credible.
new school way of thought mainstream popular culture rap draw.
after this cleansing process was damn near complete.

NEXT,.....
how is nas not a superstar and just performed at the fukk'n preakness.
a fukk'n lilly white horse fukk'n race.

how is nas not a superstar and spending time on stage at the fukk'n preakness, breh.
THE PREAKNESS,..........
it don't get no whiter than the fukk'n preakness.

to the point, hammer went broke trying to break into horse racing.
another reason why the protectors that laid nas's lineage attacked hammer so vehemently.

the preakness, nas performance was given pr by bomani jones, on ESPN.

you don't get to perform at some lilly white shyt like the preakness.
if you were not a superstar draw, period.

you just would like to move the goal post around.
when, it is obvious to everyone in the know of this forum.
you really don't know much about this culture like that era to era.
let alone skillset to skillset.
or how things changed from a change in sonic landscape to sonic landscape.
when it comes to rap, like that.
evident, by your over fascination with rnb from the newjack swing era.
to offbrand commentary that is not supported by any actual pertinent cultural norms.
just stop it, breh....

nas is a fukk'n superstar, nikka.

i may have issues with him selling out.
yet, nas is still a fukk'n super fukk'n star, breh.


art barr

 

[Wacky D]

T.i. Is/was a superstar...and I still stand by what I said wutang ain't nothing to fukk with.

It's always some ole east coast ass nikka who disrespect cats like T.I, and Jeezy,..

tip & jeezy never suffered from east coast bias. the groundwork was already done in the late '90s/early '00s so that chit was dead by the time those two blew up. the only people still talkin that east coast bias stuff thru the past 10 years are people that have never even been to the east coast. shoot, young jeezy was the most popular rapper on the east coast when he came out.

tip just was not a superstar. he got superstar treatment and was positioned to be one but never got over the hump.

jeezy was on the brink and shouldve been a bonafide superstar and the face of rap in his prime but the industry constantly threw shade at him, even to this day. thats who you should be getting mad at concerning jeezy. not the east coast.

 

[Wacky D]

first off, nas in the nineties was not an artist even in his superstardom.
that could be counted on as a reliable performer, at all, period.
as i have posted on numeous occassions about nas no showing consistently from 94-2001.

so, that is why his bookings were lacking.
yet, and still....
nas was a superstar, breh.
when, iww broke.

that was in a day and age.
when, the industry was not receptive of any draws from rap.
at the time, who were not mainstream pop associated draws.
when, iww broke....
it was one of the first times a fully culturally based artist from a grassroots level.
who came from the lineage of the protectors of the culture.
who squelched the draw of hammer.
was boosted to the next level.
which is why nas selling out was such dastardly deed.
as the culture's protection mechanism, if nas had not of sold out.
as far as rap was concerned, had almost damn near fully cleansed the pop realm.
of the commercial sentiments of any oldschool way of thought based draws in the mainstream.

nas, was the next first fully credible.
new school way of thought mainstream popular culture rap draw.
after this cleansing process was damn near complete.

how is nas not a superstar and just performed at the fukk'n preakness.
a fukk'n lilly white horse fukk'n shoe.

how is nas not a superstar and spending time on stage at the fukk'n preakness, breh.
THE PREAKNESS,..........
it don't get no whiter than the fukk'n preakness.

to the point, hammer went broke trying to break into horse racing.
another reason why the protectors that laid nas's lineage attacked hammer so vehemently.

the preakness, nas performance was given pr by bomani jones, on ESPN.

you don't get to perform at some lilly white shyt like the preakness.
if you were not a superstar draw, period.

you just would like to move the goal post around.
when, it is obvious to everyone in the know of this forum.
you really don't know much about this culture like that era to era.
let alone skillset to skillset.
or how things changed from a change in sonic landscape to sonic landscape.
when it comes to rap, like that.
evident, by your over fascination with rnb from the newjack swing era.
to offbrand commentary that is not supported by any actual pertinent cultural norms.
just stop it, breh....

nas is a fukk'n superstar, nikka.

i may have issues with him selling out.
yet, nas is still a fukk'n super fukk'n star, breh.


art barr

youre babbling on about stuff that i already know, just to make it seem like youre telling me something.

and dont worry about what i listen to. just because im not into that sausagefest chit, doesnt make me any less informed.

now let me take it to the core of this:
even if nas was the most reliable performer, do you think he was popular enough to headline or co-headline a major tour? im not talking about people liking songs and giving him props. im talking about people going out of their way to show up and see him. i'll wait for an answer. A STR8 ANSWER. not an essay about chit that i already know. not any cheap smearfest responses either.

btw, bone thugs was less reliable than nas and they still did their tours.

nas = rap superstar but he wasnt A SUPERSTAR.

and i see you dappin that TIP chit. it aint no excuse at all for him not going out.

 

[Art Barr]

tip & jeezy never suffered from east coast bias. the groundwork was already done in the late '90s/early '00s so that chit was dead by the time those two blew up. the only people still talkin that east coast bias stuff thru the past 10 years are people that have never even been to the east coast. shoot, young jeezy was the most popular rapper on the east coast when he came out.

tip just was not a superstar. he got superstar treatment and was positioned to be one but never got over the hump.

jeezy was on the brink and shouldve been a bonafide superstar and the face or rap in his prime but the industry constantly threw shade at him, even to this day. thats who you should be getting mad at concerning jeezy. not the east coast.

nikka, you offbrand as hell.
how in the fukk is TI, not a superstar.

TI, is a fukk'n megastar fool.
ti is a huge drawing multi blockbuster draw in movies, tv and music.
what planet are you living on, breh.

nikka, TI was in fukk'n takers, nikka!
not just in takers.
the main protagonist, amoung other large action flick draws and other superstar music contemporaries.
you on that whoopie, breh.


you completely offbrand on that huff ass shyt.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

youre babbling on about stuff that i already know, just to make it seem like youre telling me something.

and dont worry about what i listen to. just because im not into that sausagefest chit, doesnt make me any less informed.

now let me take it to the core of this:
even if nas was the most reliable performer, do you think he was popular enough to headline or co-headline a major tour? im not talking about people liking songs and giving him props. im talking about people going out of their way to show up and see him. i'll wait for an answer. A STR8 ANSWER. not an essay about chit that i already know. not any cheap smearfest responses either.

btw, bone thugs was less reliable than nas and they still did their tours.

nas = rap superstar but he wasnt A SUPERSTAR.

and i see you dappin that TIP chit. it aint no excuse at all for him not going out.

nikka, NAS as early as 1994.
was noshowing packed venues for his performances.
in 96, common debuted bytch in yoo live the first time.
it was to make up and redirect the energy of a fever pitched crowd from rioting from a NAS no show.
while, AZ was there with heiro, & scarface, at depaul.



more proof you fronting for the fukking camera and don't know what the fukk you talembout.
nikka, NAS was a promoter booking nightmare till 2oo2, as a stage performer.
even, as the owner of the superstar label.
when, booking, securing, insuring a rap show.
was at its highest fever pitch of resistance.
you really don't know what the fukk you are talembout.
especially, in comparison to bone.
as, bone was an early 90's actualized platinum draw
from their first release on ruthless.
the same ruthless that had Republican party cosigns.
the same ruthless that already had solid booker based relationships.
plus, as a label knew five years predating bone.
The importance of a drawing stage show, from a number of variables.
one, being dre previously, before leaving ruthless..was a drawing artist with the wrecking crew.
incomparison to NAS, who had no variable knowledge of how important touring and performing was.
nas did not get proficiency at performing on stage till 2oo3.
almost a decade after his original debut on main source give or take some months, fool.
in comparison to the same bone who got the key to the fukkin city and bone day.
way before, NAS went and released iww, or the single to if I ruled the world.
also, please stop talking about bookings for rap shows.
as, you do not know any of the components for booking and performing in that era at all whatsoever.
or, what it was based on venue to venue, artist to artist, variable to variable, at all.

NAS and ti, not superstars....nikka, puh-lease!!
yet, NAS is rocking the fukking preakness, the preakness.


years after, his largest drawing incarnations are way past due.
NAS got the preakness as a booking.
especially given his past record as a performer.
all because he is a superstar, nikka.
regular performers don't get to rock the fukking preakness, nikka.



Art Barr

 

[Wacky D]

nikka, you offbrand as hell.
how in the fukk is TI, not a superstar.

TI, is a fukk'n megastar fool.
ti is a huge drawing multi blockbuster draw in movies, tv and music.
what planet are you living on, breh.

nikka, TI was in fukk'n takers, nikka!
not just in takers.
the main protagonist, amoung other large action flick draws and other superstar music contemporaries.
you on that whoopie, breh.


you completely offbrand on that huff ass shyt.



Art Barr

by that logic, you can say that mos def & common sense are mega-stars.

 

[Uncle Trill]

Could compare him to fabolous star wise, more of a ghetto celebrity/hood superstar not an international superstar

 

[L. Deezy]

Listen, dont know how this thread got about Nas...

Nas is not or ever was a Superstar. He's a globally known artist but not a superstar. Most of yall so only in to hip hop and not in tuned with the real meaning of a superstar. You not gonna see a superstar still hanging in Harlem projects.. The argument that Cam ever was is sad. Yall are idiots. Once you are a superstar, you generally stay that for life without even recording or performing again.

Superstars move different. If Hip Hop even has a superstar, I think Em, Jay Z, are the only ones. PAC is now in death.. hard to say he was one while living. But thats it.

Dont confuse having music success as being a Superstar..

 

[Newzz]

you are also, showing you were not cognitive about the culture.
let alone, rap when the wu were helping to reforge and creating the new criteria.
that the industry would later use to authenicate rap superstars a decade later when the dips.
draw was only a miniscle fraction.
when compared to the wutang's draw that predate the dips by a decade.
not to mention, all of coc, close to five years after the wu.
created the admin changes and industrial spark for change.
coc was all directly influenced by the wu tang clan.

as coc was known as a wutang ripoff group.
who changed their direction from the eight is enough crew/big L, lord finesse/diamond d/ditc by way of the native tongues pre-platinum drawing connection.
from the impact of diamond's and jamar's feature on tribe's low end theory.

as groups like:

coc
yaggfu front
umc's

were all lambasted into a non-draw from all being direction changing biters of wu tang material.
which is evident from just cam on the surface being a ghostface stan.
before the term stan would be crafted five yeas later by eminem on marshall mathers LP, as slang.

you did nuffin but expose you really are not and were not into hiphop or rap, to speak on this topic.
to make a comment on who was or not a rap superstar in that era.


art barr

I said NOTHING about who was or wasnt a rap superstar in that era


I said Dipset was MUCH bigger in Cleveland than Wu-Tang and wasnt nobody bumping no fukking dustheads trying to kick knowledge down the block. Who are you to tell me about my city or state?





No Limit, Cash Money, Three 6 Mafia, Ruff Ryders, Rocafella, G-Unit, Dipset, Swisha House >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wu-Tang in Cleveland and the rest of Ohio just like @NatiboyB said

 

[Wacky D]

nikka, NAS as early as 1994.
was noshowing packed venues for his performances.
when common debuted bytch in yoo live the first time.
it was to make up and redirect the energy of a fever pitched crowd from rioting from a NAS no show.
while, AZ was there with heiro, & scarface, at depaul.



more proof you fronting for the fukking camera and don't know what the fukk you talembout.
nikka, NAS was a promoter booking nightmare till 2oo2, as a stage performer.
even, as the owner of the superstar label.
when, booking, securing, insuring a rap show.
was at its highest fever pitch of resistance.
you really don't know what the fukk you are talembout.
especially, in comparison to bone.
as, bone was an early 90's actualized platinum draw
from their first release on ruthless.
the same ruthless that had Republican party cosigns.
the same ruthless that already had solid booker based relationships.
plus, as a label knew five years predating bone.
The importance of a drawing stage show, from a number of variables.
one, being dre previously, before leaving ruthless..was a drawing artist with the wrecking crew.
incomparison to NAS, who had no variable knowledge of how important touring and performing was.
nas did not get proficiency at performing on stage till 2oo3.
almost a decade after his original debut on main source give or take some months, fool.
in comparison to the same bone who got the key to the fukkin city and bone day.
way before, NAS went and released iww, or the single to if I ruled the world.
also, please stop talking about bookings for rap shows.
as, you do not know any of the components for booking and performing in that era at all whatsoever.
or, what it was based on venue to venue, artist to artist, variable to variable, at all.

NAS and ti, not superstars....nikka, puh-lease!!
yet, NAS is rocking the fukking preakness, the preakness.


years after, his largest drawing incarnations are way past due.
NAS got the preakness as a booking.
especially given his past record as a performer.
all because he is a superstar, nikka.
regular performers don't get to rock the fukking preakness, nikka.

Art Barr

you still doing alot of duckin-n-dodgin.

do you think that at any point in the mid-90s, nas couldve headlined or at least co-headlined a national tour. and im very aware of the components that went into that. you dont know me ak.

im asking you, do you think nas was ever popular enough to pull that off. and you know he wasnt. thats why you keep talking around the point just to save face. sure theres artists that couldve went out, but didnt for various reasons. but nas aint one of em.

yea, bone got keys to the city, and did all that stuff cuz they were superstars. nas wasnt. thanks for proving my point.

and lol @ the preakness. how many of the people at the preakness give a f*ck about nas? i bet half of them didnt even know who he was until he took the stage.

 

[NatiboyB]

If a DJ played WU- Tang In a club that nikka would be booed off the stage...the hood don't respect them nikkas.