So Puff Diddy isnt a record producer either....we knew?

[Artificial Intelligence]

. How old are you

Why does my age matter… I’m old as fukk as never seen the video.

 

[Greenhornet]

Its worse. There are extortion lawsuits coming ...

oh yeah alot worse. people been saying this dude was a piece of shyt it was actually way worse once them stories came out

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

I knew Puff was a clown and a fraud in 1994 when I was a kid.

 

[Awesome Wells]

exactly,. The Bad Boy sound, from the samples, to the arrangement of vocals, to the sequencing, to the content was very consistent for years, and Puff had more than just a small role in that. You can even see it in Mary J's early work. Usher first album. Jodeci early work.

Ready To Die
Total
Harlem World
No Way Out
Life After Death
Life Story
Money Power Respect
Keep The Faith
Keisha Pam and KIm
Emotional
Faith
Shyne
Child of the Ghetto

his fingerprints all over those albums. There is no Bad Boy sound without Puff.

True.

He had invented a whole sound and could apply it to different genres and artists. If dude had anything, it was vision. He could take an artist and create a whole soundscape for them to run with. That's why labels outside of Bad Boy were all blowing budgets on their artists to get Puff into the studio with them. They wanted him to use that same magic on their artists.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

FINALLY it's starting to come out officially & via law suits that Puff didn't actually do anything in the studio and forced that exec producer / producer credit for a royalties cut + to give himself some musical pedigree.

Have seen one story so far.

We all knew right?

He is like the production version of Milli Vanilli....

I knew this because my friend told me about her producer friend. He produced a song and somehow it got to Puff and Puff made an offer to buy it for $5000. Her friend refused because they told him that Puff would be buying all the rights and he wouldn't get any credit, and Puff allegedly got upset with him.

 

[Erratic415]

I think it’s always been known, or seen, that Puff was mostly just there for business. He was an executive producer, not the producer in the studio who plays a big part in how the music sounds.

Maybe he did more and helped a lot with the sounds, but the view from most people is that he’s just there for business.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I think it’s always been known, or seen, that Puff was mostly just there for business. He was an executive producer, not the producer in the studio who plays a big part in how the music sounds.

Maybe he did more and helped a lot with the sounds, but the view from most people is that he’s just there for business.

This is mad false.

Everyone he's worked with, who's had interviews on their process in the studio with dude literally says the exact opposite.

 

[JustCKing]

It's disqualified as something you can give Puff or BadBoy any major credit for.

Let's just hypothetically say Puff plays this at a versus.
Anybody musical.. would say no chance it can win a round because it takes the beat, tempo and the chorus from one of the biggest most successful records in 80s.

Nas and Amerie did the same here




... but at least they flipped the sample more than Puffs team did with Sting.

Either way.. absolutely HUGE difference between the musical originaility of Dre, Timbaland and Jermiane vs Puff and the Hitmen.

I don't understand why you are such a fan.
Surely you think the producers I mentioned have far more impressive catalogues and music in general?

Breh, that song wouldn't be disqualified from a Verzuz.

It only lifts the guitar from the song. And since you mentioned Sting getting 100% publishing. The main element that was sampled was the guitar, which Sting ain't even play on "Every Breath". The guitarist was cheated out of his portion of the publishing by Sting.

There are a lot of differences vetween Sting's song and "I'll Be Missing You". I don't understand how you're not getting this.

 

[skokiaan]

Can you lock in a lab with Diddy for 3 weeks and emerge with an album? Yes or no?

Be safe out there

 

[M4T]

Basically similar to Beyonce's song writing credits on all those hits songs guys like Neyo/The Dream wrote .

Khaled is not that involved. He's not directing vocalists. He's not telling rappers how to do their lines. He's just a compilationist.

Also, Khaled doesn't have a developed ear like HM or Diddy. His taste level is not anywhere near.

Yeah Khalid just buys unfinished songs and adds more features, and he's pairing up people that already have songs together anyways. Puff albums actually sound like albums and not just random songs. Biggie needed someone like puff to force more hits out of him, songs like one more chance, hypnotize and mo money really made him stand out compared to all the grimy NY rap coming out.

 

[M4T]

You could say that about EVERY song that has sampled a hit record. So let's go ahead and discredit every record that has sampled a hit song.

Ice ice baby was bigger than under pressure, lucid dreams was bigger than the original too,but these were fully original songs besides the samples in the beat. That country song fast car is an exact replica of the original and charted way higher than the original.

 

[Art Barr]

You gotta have a good ear for music to steal .. can’t be taking credit for wack shyt..

All he did was steal ms Jones music and entire steelo tho.

Puff's rnb direction he brought to mca.
was theft from miss jones and her producer.

Art Barr

 

[Rekkapryde]

We've known this for decades

This.

nikka just adds an adlib and now he got producer, writer, and performer credit.

And notice that ALL of the Bad Boy hits, he does that. He ain't slick.

 

[trillanova]

All he did was steal ms Jones music and entire steeli tho.

Puff's rnb direction he brought to mca.
was theft from miss jones and her producer.

Art Barr

Hot97 Miss Jones?

 

[Art Barr]

Hot97 Miss Jones?

Yeah.

Mary j Blige is a copycat of the original ms Jones.


Ms Jones was better than mjv.

jones just did not have amy power. Along with puff stealing her original music and flipping and bouncing it.



Before Mary, but hit with 'delays'.

Sugar hill is why AZ was able to live making an rnb single as his debUT. As sugarhull is cultural backpay for getting shafted. It is why no one disses AZ for sugar hill.

Whereas Nas is dissed for the Lauren hill second album rnb record. Circumstances culturally separate the issues of Nas and az's cultural acceptance across the hiphop.

So if anyone was wondering why the smoke for nas and not for AZ. This is why.




Art Barr