Stephen Curry vs Magic Johnson

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In 92-93 Jordan averaged 32.6 a game, as a 32 year old with an average league pace of 96.8. The average pace in today's league is 95.8. The Warriors current pace is 102.1.

"he'd still be great" ya because Jordan would sure as hell struggle so much these days, right? He wouldn't just be outright dominant like he was his whole career, just "still great". Talk about pace as Warriors don't play at an absurd pace themselves.

Wanna talk about free throws or do you really believe that Michael Jordan wouldn't get more closes in today's league while James Harden walks to the line 10 times per game? This isn't "the 80's/90's" were more physical type shyt, this is outright truth that he wouldn't be walking to the line on damn near every drive and I know you don't want me to show the type of contact he was getting on the regular.

:mjlol: @ You trying to make an argument out of him saying he'd still be great, as though that's some kind of slight.


The Warriors play at a pace of 99.7, in 92-93 there were 7 teams that had a pace from 99.1 to 100.8 so save the speech :camby:

You arguing some shyt nobody even said, get it together, that Horry quote got yall in your feelings :blessed:
 

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Steph literally does 1 thing on offense

comes off of screens and shoots a 3

Magic could do everything on Offense
and he was great on D
 

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:mjlol: @ You trying to make an argument out of him saying he'd still be great, as though that's some kind of slight.


The Warriors play at a pace of 99.7, in 92-93 there were 7 teams that had a pace from 99.1 to 100.8 so save the speech :camby:

You arguing some shyt nobody even said, get it together, that Horry quote got yall in your feelings :blessed:

Hollinger's NBA Team Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN

According to this their pace is 102.1.

According to basketball reference they're 99.7. Since I can use bball reference for older seasons, let's go with that.

In 92-93, during that 32.7 PPG season for JOrdan, the Bulls pace was 92.5. Say it with me Malta, NINETY-TWO DECIMAL FIVE.


In 87-88, the Bulls pace was....95.8. Say it with me again, Malta, NINETY-FIVE DECIMAL EIGHT.


1986-87 NBA Season Summary | Basketball-Reference.com

BOTH of those numbers are around today's average. Both of those seasons Jordan was still outscoring everyone. And both of those paces are FAR below the Warriors current pace.


Since you know how many teams had a 99.1-100.8 pace in 92-93 I figure you knew what the Bulls pace was at, so why not bring it up? Why cherry pick stats breh? Why you trying to downplay Jordan's greatness in attempt to prop up Curry? Jordan didn't need threes to dominate and wouldn't need them today. :umad:
 

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Curry would be the easy answer, but the longer answer is it really comes down to the kind of players that you put around them. But even accounting for the longer answer, it is very difficult to say that you would take Magic 86-87 over 2016 Curry. Offensively Steph is doing something that is completely unprecedented. The only real argument you can make for choosing anyone else's peak over Steph would be to consider defense into peak season. A good example of this would be MJ's 1987-1988 year, MJ had a per of 31.7 while also winning Defensive player of the year. This year I'd be surprised if Steph even makes All-NBA Defense, and you can make the argument that Curry isn't even a top 5 defensive point guard. Personally, I'm taking MJ 1987-1988 because you can make the argument that during that year MJ was literally the best offensive AND defensive player in the league. Crazy.
 

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T Mac never left the first round but he's got a year ('03) that compares well to just about any wing in league history regardless of accolades, so on and so forth
I'm surprised someone brought this up because I think '03 TMac is probably one of the most underrated seasons ever and while I'm a Spurs fan, no way Timmy should have gotten MVP over him that year (lead the league in scoring, while leading team in assist, rebounds, and blocks :huhldup:). But to tell the truth, people still attach the "never leaving the first round of the playoffs" to his legacy, even though he averaged dang near 30 points per game in the playoffs in his prime.
 
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Stephen curry not no magic Johnson. Stop these crazy post..I take magic in 87' the nba was way better than compared to know. Magic would avg 18 or 19 assist today. Probably 25ppg. The nba today sucks. Curry would avg 19ppg in 1987. And would been knocked out of a few games. This is a joke. Curry not in my top 75 players all time. He being overrated for four good years. And two great ones

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So their playmaking is that close, but yet their scoring is SO FAR apart because one hits threes while the other would post up on you and take you down low. What are you gonna do when you're six inches shorter? Oh right, teams would send the double team immediately these days and do you wanna talk about how many "open looks" would be generated with Magic in the post on that Warriors team with a bunch of shooters on the outside? I don't think you really grasp what it meant to be a 6'9" player with his playmaking ability.
I completely grasp how great Magic was.

I don't know what it is you're trying to say here, but there's a significant margin in their scoring abilities/skillsets - Magic points largely came from working in the post and fastbreak opportunities - in today's game there'd be less opportunities for him to score on those same percentages. The problem with you referencing the open looks Magic would create out of the post (after being double teamed), is that the same can apply to Curry when he's handling the ball - defenders are helping on him as soon as he enters the halfcourt - in ISO or in PnR situations, there's typically another defender within the vicinity. This isn't even mentioning the fact that he warps defensive schemes just as much WITHOUT the ball; something that Magic never did.
I'm not gonna sit here and let you pretend that Curry is generating all these open looks himself because that's just straight up stupid. Their offense is built beautifully and he plays alongside another all time great 3 point shooter with a bunch of other players that spread the floor. This isn't just "Curry" generating open looks and that's what you're literally trying to make out in this post.
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Where the fukk are you getting this from? How do you take me saying that his assists aren't an accurate reflection of how many points he generates, as if I'm saying it's JUST Curry creating open looks for his team? It's a team sport, he's not creating the looks by himself, but he's damn sure the #1 reason why. I think it would pay to read properly next time my breh.
You're ignoring the Warriors coaching schemes, you dismiss the extra passes and three point shooting of the team, and you're ignoring the fact that unlike Magic, Curry has a surplus of spot up shooters to pass to.
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I'm ignoring the Warriors coaching schemes and the players that Curry has the luxury of passing too.... smh.

Magic had Kareem, Worthy (you know two players who were arguably -- in Worthy's case -- better scorers than every single player that Curry plays alongside), and Scott who averaged ppg in the high teens/low 20s - all players that averaged more points than Magic did at one time or another. Who on Curry's team has ever averaged more points, or been the #1 option on offense?

Least we forget how those Lakers "coaching schemes" revolutionized the game in the 80s.

Are we really at the point where we're using Curry's supporting cast and O/D schemes against him in favor of Magic? :dead:
Their ability to generate open looks and find those players to get assists is as close as their margin in scoring ability if you want to try to paint the picture like that because if Magic was on this team he'd be averaging 15 assists easily as there would be need to make the extra pass with the stuff he was doing on the court. Maybe you should go watch some games from the 80's and get out with his nonsense.
First of all, Magic is NOT averaging 15 assists easily with this Warriors squad - how the fukk can you say this when it goes against the very nature of how the Warriors offense operates? Second of all, the Warriors make those 'extra passes' usually to get the best possible look at a 3-pt shot or at the rim - it's got nothing to do with how great the initial pass is.

I think it is you that needs to go and look at more tape. The arguments you're making in here are patently ridiculous.
 

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@Malta this dude out here saying Curry has the benefit/advantage of coaching schemes and supporting cast - in argument for Magic... :dead:

I'm saying you're largely crediting Curry when I'd largely credit the schemes. Curry attracts the opposition and he's the reason the system works, but he's nowhere near the playmaker Magic was or is. Magic also did it with any coach or anyone and wasn't exactly playing off the ball a lot so talking about the looks he opens up off the ball is silly.

And he damn well could average 15 assists because he would draw defenders. If you're doubling someone in the post you're usually bringing them out of the perimeter, so who will they leave open? Whoever it is will immediately be open for a three. The same kind of looks would be generated, the floor just wouldn't be spread quite as much and the paint wouldn't be as free. Not to mention Magic was creative in getting the ball to the open guy in the paint anyways.

I also know the hall of fame team Magic had. Since you want to talk about much they scored should we talk about how many shots they attempted compared to Magic and how many more Curry attempts over his teammates? Guys like Kareem were also hardly guys you could greatly benefit assists from due to their work in the post, as in plays that don't generate many assists unlike spot up threes.

Curry's team is not better than Magic's in terms of pure talent, but they sure the hell are better if you want "pure" assists. The whole offense these days is to the benefit of creating plays for others and moving the ball. Magic could average 15 assists because he would not struggle getting the ball to the open three point shooter or finding the cutter in the lane or really anything else. It is easier to create open shots for players from the post, more than even than the perimeter. The entire triangle is about to working it into the post so that the player can be doubled and find the open man.

Lastly, how are you gonna @Malta when he was just in here falsely talking about the PACE during Jordan's years when the Bulls were always damn near last in pace and Jordan never benefited form the "faster" pace in the league while Warriors play at a far faster pace. :mjpls:
 

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Hollinger's NBA Team Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN

According to this their pace is 102.1.

According to basketball reference they're 99.7. Since I can use bball reference for older seasons, let's go with that.

In 92-93, during that 32.7 PPG season for JOrdan, the Bulls pace was 92.5. Say it with me Malta, NINETY-TWO DECIMAL FIVE.


In 87-88, the Bulls pace was....95.8. Say it with me again, Malta, NINETY-FIVE DECIMAL EIGHT.


1986-87 NBA Season Summary | Basketball-Reference.com

BOTH of those numbers are around today's average. Both of those seasons Jordan was still outscoring everyone. And both of those paces are FAR below the Warriors current pace.


Since you know how many teams had a 99.1-100.8 pace in 92-93 I figure you knew what the Bulls pace was at, so why not bring it up? Why cherry pick stats breh? Why you trying to downplay Jordan's greatness in attempt to prop up Curry? Jordan didn't need threes to dominate and wouldn't need them today. :umad:


:dead: How are you going to use Hollinger's pace, then later on use Basketball reference for the Bulls pace? :wtf: I mean, to find the Bulls pace from previous seasons you had to be on there to begin with, but you just said fukk it when it came to the Warriors because it didn't fit the argument.


Your whole argument is centered around the fact I called Jordan "great" and now you're trying to run that into some other shyt, cot damn. Also, why are you talking about 87-88 and 92-93? @Miami316 and I were talking about Jordan in 86-87, which was his highest scoring season, their were more possessions in the game, period. And then you come in with all these other side arguments centered on some forced shyt? I could easily point out that Curry is playing 6mpg less than Jordan in all those seasons you keep talking about.


And the worst part about this is that in this very same thread, I said look at Wade, Westbrook & LeBron as an example of how Jordan would be (You know guys who don't shoot a ton of threes or particularity well), but you so pressed to argue you've got it in your mind that I said he wouldn't dominate cause he can't shoot threes :mjlol:

Only person :umad: here is you with this corny forced shyt.
 

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Lastly, how are you gonna @Malta when he was just in here falsely talking about the PACE during Jordan's years when the Bulls were always damn near last in pace and Jordan never benefited form the "faster" pace in the league while Warriors play at a far faster pace. :mjpls:

False? :wtf:

So league wide the pace was the same, that's what you're trying to say?
 
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