The Black Community Has Some DEEP SOUL SEARCHING To DO

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

The black vote ain't bout shyt, black unity is were its at. ALL of the problems Blacks face in this country is due to the fact that we don't own our own shyt. Lets fix that problem first then we can see about voting.

The black vote is more important locally and statewide then federally....

I don't see it as an either/or, more as a both/and. i could be making the same argument that education is more important than voting or fiscal security, but it is just one key factor for uplift amongst others. We have to start seeing plurality in our black uplift theories. There is no one clear-cut answer to our people's issues.

 

[SirReginald]

So instead of engaging in dialogue with the talking points presented, you simply dismiss it by saying you already engaged with those topics.

Let me ask you this basic question; why do you continue to view black people as a monolith? Because your OP does just that.

We have to discuss the issues to the community as a whole. The point is, we all have to have an set agenda and goal. However, if you want to talk about those issues go ahead. I've discussed them before, but I'll go into them again. Oligarchy, income inequality, unfair justice, and War On Drugs in my opinion is the PROBLEM. It's not that I'm dismissing your claims, but I've went in those issues many of times.

 

[SirReginald]

The black vote ain't bout shyt, black unity is were its at. ALL of the problems Blacks face in this country is due to the fact that we don't own our own shyt. Lets fix that problem first then we can see about voting.

It starts at local level and up. The Black vote can do wonders in our local and state breh. We need BOTH legislature and economic power. BOTH are equally important.

 

[Nemesis]

Most Black conservatives have conservative ideology. I'm a liberal, but I wasn't always like that. There are Black conservatives who are informal like Thomas Sowell. I agree, we need to talk about the issues in our community. My point, some of the Black community has conservative views social wise. Like LGBT and Christian views it's to the right. Especially, with older Blacks anyway. You and I agree we need BOTH sides to discuss the real issues plaguing our community.

but the blacks in the Republican party you want us to support arent interested in the issues concerning the black community.... so what would be the point in voting for them

 

[SirReginald]

but the blacks in the Republican party you want us to support arent interested in the issues concerning the black community.... so what would be the point in voting for them

First off, you have to present your issues to them (mainly Black Repubs). Also, you have to create a plan to help fix these issues. I do remember Rand Paul trying to get the Black vote, but our community wasn't interested. I'm telling you, it's better than just having the Dems take our vote for granted.

 

[SmokyQuartz]

The black vote is more important locally and statewide then federally....

I don't see it as an either/or, more as a both/and. i could be making the same argument that education is more important than voting or fiscal security, but it is just one key factor for uplift amongst others. We have to start seeing plurality in our black uplift theories. There is no one clear-cut answer to our people's issues.

It starts at local level and up. The Black vote can do wonders in our local and state breh. We need BOTH legislature and economic power. BOTH are equally important.

In order to have voting power you must have money and an agenda. Blacks don't have an agenda, we don't know what we want collectively, some nikkas is liberal, some are conservative, some are feminist, some are atheist, etc. I'm not saying we should all be a monolith but we tend to disagree about our own freedom so nothing gets done. Someone should make a thread about the BLACK AGENDA. The next step is that we need to buy off politicians if we want voting power, like the Jews, Hispanics, Asians do. But we need an agenda first

 

[SirReginald]

In order to have voting power you must have money and an agenda. Blacks don't have an agenda, we don't know what we want collectively, some nikkas is liberal, some are conservative, some are feminist, some are atheist, etc. I'm not saying we should all be a monolith but we tend to disagree about our own freedom so nothing gets done. Someone should make a thread about the BLACK AGENDA. The next step is that we need to buy off politicians if we want voting power, like the Jews, Hispanics, Asians do. But we need an agenda first

I agree with everything this post. We don't have an agenda said to say.

 

[SirReginald]

P.S. tried to rep you breh, but I repped you before. I owe you some rep @SmokyQuartz

 

[Nemesis]

First off, you have to present your issues to them (mainly Black Repubs). Also, you have to create a plan to help fix these issues. I do remember Rand Paul trying to get the Black vote, but our community wasn't interested. I'm telling you, it's better than just having the Dems take our vote for granted.

my friend the problem is you dont seem to understand politics ....

those Republicans are much smarter than you

let me break it down

If they appear to pander to black votes they will lose a lot and I mean a lot of their core support.... any republican knows its not worth the risk

Trump said fukk black people and got elected...... it wasnt by mistake , it was on purpose


your problem is that you dont think strategically ...... They do

 

[SirReginald]

my friend the problem is you dont seem to understand politics ....

those Republicans are much smarter than you

let me break it down

If they appear to pander to black votes they will lose a lot and I mean a lot of their core support.... any republican knows its not worth the risk

Trump said fukk black people and got elected...... it wasnt by mistake , it was on purpose


your problem is that you dont think strategically ...... They do

In my opinion, I don't think Blacks should have supported Trump anyway. Also, I only agreed with him on trade. However, his who platform was xenophobia mixed in with White Nationalism. Just look at the Hispanics this past election. That will tell you everything I'm trying to say. Just voting Dem for just cause isn't helping us anymore.

 

[Nemesis]

In my opinion, I don't think Blacks should have supported Trump anyway. Also, I only agreed with him on trade. However, his who platform was xenophobia mixed in with White Nationalism. Just look at the Hispanics this past election. That will tell you everything I'm trying to say. Just voting Dem for just cause isn't helping us anymore.

and what exactly have hispanics got? the same people they voted for are going after their people

This is the point im trying to make to you that you fail to understand, hispanics have got NOTHING out of it

at least we didnt get used by them only to be shyt on


like I said you really lack strategic thinking, you fail constantly to see the big picture..... you are more concerned that hispanics voted for Trump rather than seeing the reality that they got no benefit from it

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

We have to discuss the issues to the community as a whole. The point is, we all have to have an set agenda and goal. However, if you want to talk about those issues go ahead. I've discussed them before, but I'll go into them again. Oligarchy, income inequality, unfair justice, and War On Drugs in my opinion is the PROBLEM. It's not that I'm dismissing your claims, but I've went in those issues many of times.

How can you want to discuss issues to the community as a whole, but we do not offer all an equal voice in that discussion? I do not expect the wealthy to have the same interests as the poor, and this is true with all privileged/marginalized identities within our community.

I am really interested to see what you are reading to inform your theories. I am working on my PhD in Afro-American Studies, and I have taken many courses on Black politics, the carceral state, history, etc. That is why I am so hard on your talking points, because while you may have good intentions, you do not realize that your solutions have been around forever. LITERALLY.

Oligarchy, income inequality, unfair justice, and War On Drugs in my opinion is the PROBLEM.

Substitute the War on Drugs with segregation and this exactly what Booker T Washington was advocating for in the 1880s.

Your views are not intersectional, and they perpetuate a talented tenth; you think it is you're responsibility to uplift your race, and educate the ignorant in your race, but whenever I see you talk about shyt like this its always, "what THEY need to do" or "If Black folks could (insert a JJG belief here)..." insinuating that the rest of black folks need to do what YOU think is a proven route towards success in a White man's society.

When I educate students, it is meant to empower them to build themselves into whatever they want to be. I offer no overarching solutions for us as a people anymore because the second I do, I am no better than Michael Eric Dyson, Stephen A Smith, or any other celebrity who feels obligated to talk down to the rest of the race (Bill Cosby).

P.S.- What makes you think these conversations as a community haven't been happening? Historically speaking, we have been addressing our issues collectively better than any other marginalized identity out here. When we talk about how bad we are doing in America, I think we do ourselves a disservice by not looking at our accomplishments/resiliency/strength. We are the strongest people in America, and when we think about where we are, its time we stop internalizing these issues and start holding the white man more accountable for his generational sins. Its only so much we can fix about a perpetuated racist society.

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

In order to have voting power you must have money and an agenda. Blacks don't have an agenda, we don't know what we want collectively, some nikkas is liberal, some are conservative, some are feminist, some are atheist, etc. I'm not saying we should all be a monolith but we tend to disagree about our own freedom so nothing gets done. Someone should make a thread about the BLACK AGENDA. The next step is that we need to buy off politicians if we want voting power, like the Jews, Hispanics, Asians do. But we need an agenda first

In my opinion, thats strength. To be able to have our voices represented in all those interests. Our agenda has changed once since 1619. It went from freedom for all to freedom from injustice, and it remains the same. And again, historically the black agenda has not represented the interests of all black people, and that is why you have the fractures that exist today. Better to let people work where they want to instead of forcing an ideology on them.

 

[SirReginald]

and what exactly have hispanics got? the same people they voted for are going after their people

This is the point im trying to make to you that you fail to understand, hispanics have got NOTHING out of it

at least we didnt get used by them only to be shyt on


like I said you really lack strategic thinking, you fail constantly to see the big picture..... you are more concerned that hispanics voted for Trump rather than seeing the reality that they got no benefit from it

I'm talking about the Primaries to be frank. You must have forgotten that Marco Rubio (Cuban) and Ted Cruz (runner Up mixed Cuban) were in the primary. They got buzz and yes Marco lost his home state Florida, but he had people turn out for him his own. My point, we didn't have that with Ben Carson. He tried to reach out to the Black community. Because I remember when he met with Al Sharpton. I see the bigger picture, but I don't think you get the point I'm making. They had a set agenda (they lost), but they made their point clear. We need an agenda. Is that hard to ask? I feel we need to have BOTH political and economic power in this country.

 

[SmokyQuartz]

In my opinion, thats strength. To be able to have our voices represented in all those interests. Our agenda has changed once since 1619. It went from freedom for all to freedom from injustice, and it remains the same. And again, historically the black agenda has not represented the interests of all black people, and that is why you have the fractures that exist today. Better to let people work where they want to instead of forcing an ideology on them.

Your right some people want WHITE VALIDATION ( looking at you black sjws ) instead of real freedom. We should charge those goofs to the game and keep it moving tbh