The Chef Hires A Servant To Stop The Kang From Ringing: Cavs vs Warriors III

[360Waves]

But you're also talking about operating against one of the better defensive teams against the 3 this year. I just don't see that happening.

Yeah except the Cavs have 2 guys who make getting into the paint look like breathing which is going to collapse Golden States defense. Did you not see how Kawhi, who is an average playmaker at best, was eating those nikkas alive with his offensive aggressiveness? GSWs D was all over the place. You think this is somehow going to get easier against LEBRON?

This isn't the injured Jazz, or the Blazers with 2 slashers but absolutely no supporting cast to hit the kick out 3s.

 

[Trapperman Dave]

I wanna bet on both of em. Anything can happen

 

[Robbo]

Yeah except the Cavs have 2 guys who make getting into the paint look like breathing which is going to collapse Golden States defense. Did you not see how Kawhi, who is an average playmaker at best, was eating those nikkas alive with his offensive aggressiveness? GSWs D was all over the place. You think this is somehow going to get easier against LEBRON?

This isn't the injured Jazz, or the Blazers with 2 slashers but absolutely no supporting cast to hit the kick out 3s.

yea i was at game 1. They will collapse at times, but they recover better than other teams. At times they will be content to let those guys get inside. They will live with that. Don't look too much into game 1 vs. the Spurs, thats not indicative of how the series would continue if Kawhi wasn't hurt. The Warriors were pretty sluggish in the 1st half, i had a great view of it.

 

[lutha]

100-100 is a "slightly" slower pace for the Cavs if they make their shots at the typical rate.

So by what sorcery are they only going to slow down themselves a little, but manage to slow down the Warriors a lot? Warriors have been averaging damn near 120ppg this postseason even with the starters sitting a lot of fourth quarters, and the Cavs have a BAD defense on top of that.

So far this postseason Lebron and Kyrie have been averaging 57ppg on 40 shots/game. And that's facing defenses like Indiana and Boston and Toronto without Lowry.

Last year Bron and Kyrie both went off in the Finals, and they still only averaged 58ppg on 46 shots/game. And no one said they were "shooting horribly".

You obviously don't have a clue how many shots it usually takes to score that many points.

If you have Bron/Kyrie scoring 10 points MORE than their average against better defenders than they been facing, then yeah, they're going to need at least 10 shots more to do it.

You can't use their best game of the entire year against the fukking Boston Celtics matador defense and then pretend that's what they're going to do four times against Green-Durant-Iggy-Klay-Curry.



They've played the Pacers, the Raptors without Lowry for most the series, and the Celtics without IT most the series, and you're bragging that they "only" gave up 110+ three times so far? (and none of them been blowouts - don't know why you made up that shyt)



They're about to go up against a team whose THIRD option on offense is better than the best player on the court for most of those games.


Love, Frye, Jefferson, Korver, Deron, Kyrie (who is hurting a bit).

That's 60% of their rotation that is going to have trouble on defense. You really think that TT/Lebron/JR/Shump are so good they can make up for it?

the cavs keeping the game between 100-110 is slowing the game down for the warriors...

the cavs have slowed the warriors down, kept them below their avg the the last 2 finals..

let me get this straight: the warriors havent played anyone and are putting up great numbers, so you use those to make a point.....bron/kyrie avg 57 on 40 shots, but since it doesnt fit what your narrative, you gonna disregard factual numbers to make up 60+ points on 50-60 shots...lol ok...

obviously you dont know how many shots it take nor can do math...if they avg 58 on 46 last year, and are playing just as good, if not better this year, means they can get 60 on less than the 50-60 shots like you say....seriously, you said they need 10+ more shots to score 10 more points to get to 60, even though they're avg 57 right now....that makes no sense lol....

and i'm not using the game last night, i'm going off the whole playoffs....bron has taken around 20 shots a game, same for kyrie, and they putting up 50+...but you think they need an extra 10-20 shots to score 10 points to get to 60, even though they are avg 57 lol...

i didnt make shyt up cause i didnt specify a number of times they gave up over 110...i just said the few times they have, which the stats back me up...they are giving up an avg of 103 pts a game so far, which means they aint giving up 110+ on the reg....

and i get it: you keep harping on they havent played anyone...but who have warriors played?...they've played teams where someone key was hurt on the other team, have beat teams by more points than the cavs, and swept through the west, but their comp was so much tougher than the cavs....lol ok....

people said the same shyt the last 2 finals, and so far the teams are 1-1....so we'll see....

 

[360Waves]

yea i was at game 1. They will collapse at times, but they recover better than other teams. At times they will be content to let those guys get inside. They will live with that. Don't look too much into game 1 vs. the Spurs, thats not indicative of how the series would continue if Kawhi wasn't hurt. The Warriors were pretty sluggish in the 1st half, i had a great view of it.

It doesn't matter how well they recover though the Cavs have 4 dudes in their lineup who can pop the three at any given moment, sometimes 5. Not even San Antonio had that. Several times this POs LeBron has gotten red carpet drives to the basket because of how much gravity his shooters like Korver, Love, Irving, Smith, etc generate. When LeBron and Kyrie attack GSW will be forced to pick their poison between the drive and the 3 on numerous occasions and shyt will get ugly.

GS can do the same thing obviously, but if I'm Clevelands D I'll live with a Curry/KD drive. They finish with a high pct at the rim but only because they pick their spots, neither are particularly amazing at finishing in traffic. Kyrie and LeBron on the other hand, are.

 

[Robbo]

It doesn't matter how well they recover though the Cavs have 4 dudes in their lineup who can pop the three at any given moment, sometimes 5. Not even San Antonio had that. Several times this POs LeBron has gotten red carpet drives to the basket because of how much gravity his shooters like Korver, Love, Irving, Smith, etc generate. When LeBron and Kyrie attack GSW will be forced to pick their poison between the drive and the 3 on numerous occasions and shyt will get ugly.

GS can do the same thing obviously, but if I'm Clevelands D I'll live with a Curry/KD drive. They finish with a high pct at the rim but only because they pick their spots, neither are particularly amazing at finishing in traffic. Kyrie and LeBron on the other hand, are.

Curry is right up there with Kyrie as a finisher. And Durant usually gets to the line if he doesn't finish. The Warriors will do the same, they will try to make it tougher for Lebron to finish, if ihe makes it , he makes it. Klay will try to keep Kyrie in front of him and make it tougher. These guys are going to get their points, but I see the Warriors D focusing on the kickout. We'll see how they execute though.

 

[reserved_one]

I got the Warriors in 6. I wanna pull for the Cavs, but I think the 4 headed Monster of Steph, KD, Dray and Klay would be too much for LeBron & company to overcome this time.

KD is gonna get his first ring this year whether we like it or not. I can't see him allowing a embarrassing finals loss

 

[H. Selassie]

Lebron is a very generous man. He has delivered rings to Duncan (TWICE), Dirk, and the Splash Brothers. Here's to hoping he's in the same giving spirit for KD.

 

[Take_Note]

This is hilarious

 

[onelastdeath]

This is KD's 2011 BRON, mark my words.

 

[Malta]

So you say that even though the game is slowed down, you have Bron/Kyrie BOTH averaging 30+ AND the Cavs coming up with another 50 somewhere?

I'd really like to see where you get that extra 50 in a slowed-down game when you already have Bron/Kyrie taking 50-60 shots themselves.

Let's say Lebron gets 35 on 25 shots, Kyrie gets 30 on 25 shots, Love gets 15 on 12 shots, JR gets 10 on 10 shots, and everyone else combines for the other 25 on 25 shots...that's already 97 shots to get to the 115 kind of score you're talking about.

You think the Warriors are going to get to take damn near 100 shots without scoring 115 points against the porous-ass defense of the Cavs?

I don't see the Warriors controlling the pace unless things go terribly wrong for the Cavs, the last two finals the Cavs have owned the pace vs the Warriors.

90.7 pace in 2015
92.0 pace in 2016

They aren't getting up 100 shots unless the Cavs are insanely sloppy with the ball.

 

[dem bath salts]

It's on Curry imo. I'm pretty sure kd going to do his thing. But if Curry don't play up to his ability again, shyt gon get spooky.

 

[G-Zeus]

100-100 is a "slightly" slower pace for the Cavs if they make their shots at the typical rate.

So by what sorcery are they only going to slow down themselves a little, but manage to slow down the Warriors a lot? Warriors have been averaging damn near 120ppg this postseason even with the starters sitting a lot of fourth quarters, and the Cavs have a BAD defense on top of that.







So far this postseason Lebron and Kyrie have been averaging 57ppg on 40 shots/game. And that's facing defenses like Indiana and Boston and Toronto without Lowry.

Last year Bron and Kyrie both went off in the Finals, and they still only averaged 58ppg on 46 shots/game. And no one said they were "shooting horribly".

You obviously don't have a clue how many shots it usually takes to score that many points.

If you have Bron/Kyrie scoring 10 points MORE than their average against better defenders than they been facing, then yeah, they're going to need at least 10 shots more to do it.

You can't use their best game of the entire year against the fukking Boston Celtics matador defense and then pretend that's what they're going to do four times against Draymond-Durant-Iggy-Klay-Curry.








They've played the Pacers, the Raptors without Lowry for most the series, and the Celtics without IT most the series, and you're bragging that they "only" gave up 110+ three times so far? (and none of them been blowouts - don't know why you made up that shyt)



They're about to go up against a team whose THIRD option on offense is better than the best player on the court for most of those games.


Love, Frye, Jefferson, Korver, Deron, Kyrie (who is hurting a bit).

That's 60% of their rotation that is going to have trouble on defense. You really think that TT/Lebron/JR/Shump are so good they can make up for it?

GSW scored 15 points fewer a game vs cavs.. they are doing something to their pace.

 

[Jplaya2023]

One thing we're missing is another black coach getting ring this year

We know the warriors will play their death lineup the last 6 minutes.

How to the cavs counter? I don't think you can get away with playing tristian late in games when the warriors go small and the cavs don't have that reliable 4th wing who both can shoot and defend at the same time behind lebron and jr.

Green/Love
Kd/ Lebron
Iggy/ ????? shump or korver
klay/ JR
steph/ kyrie

If you play shump you can switch everything, but his lack of shooting closes the lane on the offensive side of the ball and makes it harder for lebron and kyrie to boogie on GS. If you plau korver, he will get P&R to death and the cavs will be in scramble mode which means GS will light up the city from 3

 

[Malta]

GSW scored 15 points fewer a game vs cavs.. they are doing something to their pace.

It's LeBron, he and Chris Paul are the best in the league at controlling the pace of a game (series). He's never been on a team that played at a fast pace, people see the transition dunks and assume he's always trying to run but he's basically a walk it up and run the offense guy. His teams are always going to be 92-96 possessions per game.


If the Warriors can get the Cavs to play at a 100 pace or some shyt it'll be over quickly, but I don't think they can force that on them.