Essential The Official Battle Rap Random Thoughts Thread (URL, KOTD, UW etc...)

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Cmon breh, last 9? Lol

Look he lost to k shine, then turned around and beat him in that 2 on 2, that no one talks about. He beat goodz, he beat todd, beat brizz he beat meyers, if you are going to have that kind of standards, then have it with lux too who you can argue he lost 2 straight before seeing clips who many has him losing that one too, which would make it 3 in a row. It just says that opinions are subjective and pinning 1 guy with shame for losses when everyone loses and lux got some losses is disingenuous. Gotta keep it a buck.

Lol nah 9 was exaggerating but he hasn't been winning a lot lately

I think Lux's only clear loss is Mook. him and Hollow and him and Clips are debatable. But look at who he's battling. Arguably the top 3 battle rappers in the world. Verb is losing or having debatables with Ah Di Boom and Danny Meyers. Lol.

We haven't seen THAT Verb since the Cortez battle.

Listen Verb is a very funny dude, but he tends to do a lot of talking for someone who hasn't been good for a long time. I really can't wait to see him vs. Surf. I think Surf is going to win.
 

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Lol nah 9 was exaggerating but he hasn't been winning a lot lately

I think Lux's only clear loss is Mook. him and Hollow and him and Clips are debatable. But look at who he's battling. Arguably the top 3 battle rappers in the world. Verb is losing or having debatables with Ah Di Boom and Danny Meyers. Lol.

We haven't seen THAT Verb since the Cortez battle.

i agree but you also gotta think, if Lux decided to battle as much as Verb he wouldnt be taking all these nikkaz serious either i dont think any of the battlers would its just human nature., only a few like JC and Big kannon are consistent like that but you can argue they never reach the height of the top tiers at their best. lux is better at his branding and marketing I give him credit but i gotta assume verb is not gonna bullshyt for lux
 

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Lol nah 9 was exaggerating but he hasn't been winning a lot lately

I think Lux's only clear loss is Mook. him and Hollow and him and Clips are debatable. But look at who he's battling. Arguably the top 3 battle rappers in the world. Verb is losing or having debatables with Ah Di Boom and Danny Meyers. Lol.

We haven't seen THAT Verb since the Cortez battle.
Not to say I agree that verb should have taken all those battles, I think at this point it's proven that taking a ton of battles month after month only hurts your brand more, but do you really think lux could take that many battles and not lose a few of them especially on the road?

And do you think verb on his A game would not have good showings vs hollow and the mook that lux battled?

All I always say is, we gotta stop holding certain battle rappers to standards and giving others a slide. You talked giving passes and right now with 3 debatable losses straight we still talking about lux being number 1 contender and who deserves him. Although I felt he beat clips, that is a little unfair. Some could argue he should have washed clips and Mook and the fact lux didn't should be a shot towards him.
 

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Not to say I agree that verb should have taken all those battles, I think at this point it's proven that taking a ton of battles month after month only hurts your brand more, but do you really think lux could take that many battles and not lose a few of them especially on the road?

And do you think verb on his A game would not have good showings vs hollow and the mook that lux battled?

All I always say is, we gotta stop holding certain battle rappers to standards and giving others a slide. You talked giving passes and right now with 3 debatable losses straight we still talking about lux being number 1 contender and who deserves him. Although I felt he beat clips, that is a little unfair. Some could argue he should have washed clips and Mook and the fact lux didn't should be a shot towards him.

True that's fair that he did take a lot of battles in a short period, but I think that's the battler's fault. I hate when battlers use the excuse like that, that's some Clips shyt. lol.
 

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i agree but you also gotta think, if Lux decided to battle as much as Verb he wouldnt be taking all these nikkaz serious either i dont think any of the battlers would its just human nature., only a few like JC and Big kannon are consistent like that but you can argue they never reach the height of the top tiers at their best. lux is better at his branding and marketing I give him credit but i gotta assume verb is not gonna bullshyt for lux
True but that's why I give Mook, Lux and Hollow props because they don't battle all the time and then make excuses for not performing well. If you're gonna battle I don't wanna hear none of that "I didn't take it seriously" shyt.

Clips does it all the time and I can't stand it.
 

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Yes, Lux needs to battle Goodz. Lux only needs to battle niccas he's motivated to beat.

Oh how we forgot Total Slaughter already :snoop:

I swear this guy gets the most passes its ridiculous
 

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I'm just waiting on the day that people stop checking for Verb battles. Thing is, with battlers, its like music. They're never getting back to their prime. "Oh shyt its hoody Lux! Lux is back" no he's not, he's an old man now in kid clothes. Verb, Clips, Lux. Stop watching them. They're never getting better lol

Its like Illmatic. After Illmatic, Nas still had stuff to say. But was the quality of everything else up to par? Nah, it never went back to that level again. That's how a lot of art is, too, but we're too dumb to stop watching these old dudes playing a young man's game.
 

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i think verb and lux is dope and who else you want lux battling ? i dont see why its really an issue, we only do this shyt with lux and mook, maybe not as much with mook in here but outside in general I never see nikkaz worrying about who deserves who and all this trash except for lux and mook, like i hope nikkaz dont want roc vs lux ? if we gonna go by consistency then roc would deserve it but lux would wash roc lets be real.

verb vs brizz was fire to me, the crowd didnt want to react for whatever reason but if that shyt was in the midwest nikkaz would be saying verb is back. ok he lost to k shine but verb shouldnt be getting thrown these mid tier nikkaz like john john and shine anyway, lets see what he does with Surf cause thats a match he should care about but verb vs lux makes the most sense as lux next battle

Lol nah 9 was exaggerating but he hasn't been winning a lot lately

I think Lux's only clear loss is Mook. him and Hollow and him and Clips are debatable. But look at who he's battling. Arguably the top 3 battle rappers in the world. Verb is losing or having debatables with Ah Di Boom and Danny Meyers. Lol.

We haven't seen THAT Verb since the Cortez battle.

Listen Verb is a very funny dude, but he tends to do a lot of talking for someone who hasn't been good for a long time. I really can't wait to see him vs. Surf. I think Surf is going to win.

I'm to a point where I want to see about 10 other battles WAY before I want to see another Lux battle (based on the likely opponents). I used to check for Verb religiously, and now he's a filler battle that I watch hoping (but not expecting) for a B/B+ outcome. Tired of the road paved with hype leading to a deadend of excuses and mediocre performances in front of piss poor crowds that, no matter what nikkas say, absolutely can change the quality of the performances.
 

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A Hypothetical Matchup of JC vs Loaded Lux

However, I feel like I am the Battlezones' lone wolf. I live in reality. I base my opinion on what I actually see. With JC, you have a guy with over 100 battles on youtube. There's a certain trend with JC. He is who he is.



It's fair to say in this setting, it's generally harder for a "pen guy" to go over with the crowd. You have to be damn near undeniable to get any kind of love. It would most likely be an underwhelming battle. Everyone would be disappointed & complain that these large rooms are killing battle rap.


JC's a rapper. He not an emcee. He can't rock a stage. The End.

cut it down to the points I wanted to hit

1. The idea that you are the only dude in the forum that has said JC has a string of mediocre performances and struggles on stage is a little lofty. That's the basis of like every negative post about JC. Nobody calls him wack, but many people acknowledge that his career went in the wrong direction and he didn't make improvements along the way.

2. I agree that since any battle involving Lux is going to be huge, that the environment is going to either be dead or volatile against the dry spots. I think JC can hang with Lux on the pen-game, but that environment would kill the battle and likely kill any chance JC had to win. I thought all this time that all the nigs in here saying "JC > Lux" were keeping it hypothetical for a reason. They know JC would be fighting against the elements, A-game be damned. Lux would have to actually LOSE the crowd to make this "even."

3. Agree that his body of work suggests he just can't rock a room. He needs the open-minded mid-sized room crowds, and he needs an opponent who keeps the momentum of the battle going. Even when he basically 3-0'd Ahdi, the battle was fire because Ahdi fought from bell to bell and kept the fans engaged. Lux's presence sucks the air out of the the room since it forces the fans to listen for bars. Anyone giving Lux a real run has to have the ability to grab a crowd quick (we saw how Clips wouldn't die up there, and we saw what Mook did to em' in that dumbass environment).

But note that a majority of this is us talking about who would win in the room. Like @FreshAIG said a couple posts up, TBZ is not made up of people who judge battles on crowd reaction. There's a good chance that we'd disgest that battle and have a totally different take on it then the casuals and big stage crowds.

:salute:
 

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Random thought: Could anybody see Lux going to KOTD and battling illmaculate for the chain?

Let's say hypothetically the bread is right
 

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And when the hell did the opinion of dna beating tay roc show up?!

And where the hell was I ?!

Man when some outlandish ass opinion like that comes up yall tag me, cause I want in!!
I been sayin DNA 2-1 and I predicted Tay Roc to win but dat nikka Roc ain't say shyt dat whole battle, only shyt I fukked wit was dat shyt he said to Concieted dat shyt was hilarious
 
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