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[cornercommission2k12]

So a Spanish speaking Eurocac that happens to be from an island with blacks can say nikka with no issues now, got it.

No one said there are not white Hispanics, white mexicans nor white Puerto ricans. I just simply said based on the phenotype of a Cortez I don't consider him one. I don't understand what's so hard to get about that. If we were talking a white Mexican white Puerto Rican I would get with what you saying. Your purposely deflecting the argument breh.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Not sure why that is such a difficult concept for people to understand.

Thing is, No one Said a white Hispanic could say nikka, some of yall are creating your own arguments then trying to confine me to that. I never said a white Hispanic could say nikka, and I never said a white Hispanic who might have lived in a certain area could say nikka, point out where I said any of that?

I'm simply talking the difference when a white person or a white Arabian says it, vs when a person I consider a black Puerto Rican or a afro mexican says it. It's context.

 

[Momentum]

Y'all can't be black not understanding why Cortez and moneybags can say nikka lol

Moneybagz says it, but also tries to edit himself. I can tell he says it in his circle but even then he's conscious that everyone doesn't feel comfortable with him saying it.

I think guys like Cor/Jimz/Fat Joe get away with it more so due to street connections, not just because they are PR. Remember Jlo tried that shyt and it didn't go well.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

So a Spanish speaking Eurocac that happens to be from an island with blacks can say nikka with no issues now, got it.

I never got that context from what was said to be honest.
He clearly meant Latino's with Afro genetics how I took it

Thing is, No one Said a white Hispanic could say nikka, some of yall are creating your own arguments then trying to confine me to that. I never said a white Hispanic could say nikka, and I never said a white Hispanic who might have lived in a certain area could say nikka, point out where I said any of that?

I'm simply talking the difference when a white person or a white Arabian says it, vs when a person I consider a black Puerto Rican or a afro mexican says it. It's context.

Alright, I see you answered that confusion like I thought you meant it.

To give an example to what @cornercommission2k12 means

Tru Life said he's Puerto Rican, we all seen his features.
If you look past his light skintone you'll see african ancestry

We all saw hair when it wasn't braided (AFRO) meaning he has undeniable african ancestry.

Jim Jones is another case,
He's Aruban, where they speak Dutch and Papiamento (a Spanish language)
And he's Puerto Rican.
Yet, look at his features it has African all over it if you pay attention

Let alone his hair. He clearly has AFRICAN ancestry

There's a difference between Caucasian Latino's who have no african ancestry whatsoever (who are NOT nikkas, and can't say nikka)
And those who do have African ancestry.
You'll see it in their body type, hair structure and all that shyt.
nikkas gotta look further than skin tone alone. We Black people come in 34 shades ranging from the whitest of white to the darkest of dark.
Opposed to caucasians who only come in 14 skintones

Even tho Tru looks lighter than Jim jones and they're both Latino. They both have features that come from AFRICAN ancestry just shown in different ways.

Tru has a wide nose, but Jim doesn't.
Jim's lips are full, Tru's ain't.
Tru's hair is a curlier afro, while Jim's hair is pure afro.

It's still clearly african decent on both of them

 

[Momentum]

I never got that context from what was said to be honest.
He clearly meant Latino's with Afro genetics how I took it

Alright, I see you answered that confusion like I thought you meant it.

To give an example to what @cornercommission2k12 means

Tru Life said he's Puerto Rican, we all seen his features.
If you look past his light skintone you'll see african ancestry

We all saw hair when it wasn't braided (AFRO) meaning he has undeniable african ancestry.

Jim Jones is another case,
He's Aruban, where they speak Dutch and Papiamento (a Spanish language)
And he's Puerto Rican.
Yet, look at his features it has African all over it if you pay attention

Let alone his hair. He clearly has AFRICAN ancestry

There's a difference between Caucasian Latino's who have no african ancestry whatsoever (who are NOT nikkas, and can't say nikka)
And those who do have African ancestry.
You'll see it in their body type, hair structure and all that shyt.
nikkas gotta look further than skin tone alone. We Black people come in 34 shades ranging from the whitest of white to the darkest of dark.
Opposed to caucasians who only come in 14 skintones

Even tho Tru looks lighter than Jim jones and they're both Latino. They both have features that come from AFRICAN ancestry just shown in different ways.

Tru has a wide nose, but Jim doesn't.
Jim's lips are full, Tru's ain't.
Tru's hair is a curlier afro, while Jim's hair is pure afro.

It's still clearly african decent on both of them

The way he said it initially he gave them all a pass if they had a black limb on the family tree, that's that bullshyt. If you don't have multiple grandparents that fail the paper bag test, I don't want to hear that genetic gymnastics bullshyt. You aren't black.

Jim Jones is clearly black. Tru is clearly multi-racial (as are most PRs) with direct African genetics. The problem is you guys are giving Cortez' and Jimz' passes. Again I'm not from NY but from the outside looking in I'm pretty sure they are cliqued in with black street shyt so I don't really comment on them though they aren't off the hook.

 

[Momentum]

If Im URL this is my next non-major card:

JC vs Brizz
O Red vs NJT
Bigg K vs Ave
Snake Eyez vs Chess
Mike P vs Real Deal

Surprise battle:

Spoiler

Cortez vs Ryda

You're welcome URL

 

[oO J Smooth Oo]

JC rounds for Chess are done

He said there wont be a single Chess/Chest flip.

the pen is different

 

[oO J Smooth Oo]

at clips 3-0 thesarus

thesarus is better at everything

 

[dutchie]

for a minute I thought i was in TLR with all this who can/cant say nikka. Lets just agree Diz needs his ass whooped for saying it and keep all the extra stuff out of TBZ

 

[Lavish]

The context and intention in which the word nikka is used has always been the problem with the word, not just simply the word itself, as that would make word exclusive to black african vernacular, when it's not.

Puerto Ricans , mexicans , etc have made the word nikka a common part of their vernacular, which is why it's not insulting to hear them use it, on top of that many of the Puerto Ricans and mexicans who use the word commonly have african ancestry somewhere in there lineage, as many of the areas there families traveled from were deemed 2nd class and treated worst due to there ties to the african slaves who occupied those areas, where the Spanish speaking Puerto Ricans and mexicans who had more dutch, british and french lineage were classified as high class.

This is not me campaigning for brown black unity, as we understand that many of those like Cortez who clearly has african lineage don't identify with their african past, but many blacks in america act as if we were the only slaves that came over not understanding it was actually more african slaves that were brought into brazil, haiti, cuba, Mexico, Puerto Rico etc than there were slaves brought to america and many of us, didn't come straight from africa we come from african slaves who were brought up from south america, west indies, haiti, Puerto Rico, Jamaica etc when the demand to produce cotton, tobacco, rum and sugar grew heavily in the U.S.

But it is insulting to many of us.. You can't dismiss that alot of black people have a problem with them using it.

I guess we just see things differently. To me having African ancestors or going through some form of struggle does not solely make it ok to use it.

For me it also comes to who you identify as.. If ur Hispanic and you don't identify as black or African then why are you using the word? Come up with ur own slang ... You are not a "real nikka" if you don't even identify as black. shyt don't even make sense.

But stuff like this I don't lose sleep over. So it is what it is.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

But it is insulting to many of us.. You can't dismiss that alot of black people have a problem with them using it.

I guess we just see things differently. To me having African ancestors or going through some form of struggle does not solely make it ok to use it.

For me it also comes to who you identify as.. If ur Hispanic and you don't identify as black or African then why are you using the word? Come up with ur own slang ... You are not a "real nikka" if you don't even identify as black. shyt don't even make sense.

But stuff like this I don't lose sleep over. So it is what it is.

This is a tricky one because the white oppressor has made many definitions to what a Latino is

For example, Brazil.
The original inhabitants of Brazil (South America) are BLACK.
There is no physical/genetic difference between an African and a Brazilian before slavery.
They suffered THE SAME slavery as the Africans that were shipped from Africa to The States.
This is a historic fact. Let's not forget a lot of Black people in the US simply don't know their black history outside of what happened to the black people that were dropped in the US.

Anyone that doesn't immediately think of a Black person when they hear Brazilian is uneducated.

Yet these same Black people are now defined as Latino because of the language that they speak (Portuguese, Latin)
Which is inaccurate by genetics and only fits if you define a Latino by linguistic.

The white oppressor has done this repeatedly throughout slavery in the colonization era which @cornercommission2k12 tried to explain and what I tried to explain

Puerto Ricans , mexicans , etc have made the word nikka a common part of their vernacular, which is why it's not insulting to hear them use it, on top of that many of the Puerto Ricans and mexicans who use the word commonly have african ancestry somewhere in there lineage, as many of the areas there families traveled from were deemed 2nd class and treated worst due to there ties to the african slaves who occupied those areas, where the Spanish speaking Puerto Ricans and mexicans who had more dutch, british and french lineage were classified as high class.

This is not me campaigning for brown black unity, as we understand that many of those like Cortez who clearly has african lineage don't identify with their african past, but many blacks in america act as if we were the only slaves that came over not understanding it was actually more african slaves that were brought into brazil, haiti, cuba, Mexico, Puerto Rico etc than there were slaves brought to america and many of us, didn't come straight from africa we come from african slaves who were brought up from south america, west indies, haiti, Puerto Rico, Jamaica etc when the demand to produce cotton, tobacco, rum and sugar grew heavily in the U.S.

I don't agree with everytime y'all sayin in this debate but this is all facts.

Historically the Black and Afro(Latino) community have been brothers and sisters.
Both been oppressed by the same white man

Hiphop was created by Blacks and Latino's as a result of us both being oppressed.
We have been close due to historic oppression.

The confusing comes from the internal separation that was caused trough slavery.
That's not to be confused by certain Latino's denial of their blackness due to slavery where the darker skin was treated worse than the lighter skinned counterpart, making some feel superior to their darker "brothers" under oppression.

The issue itself was created by their white oppressor.

You STILL see this globally to this day wether it's in the US where you'll see some afro-latino say. "I'm not black I'm Latino" (Which makes no cotdamn sense since their blackness comes from african ancestry)
All the way up to when I went to South Africa and saw black people say "I'm not black, I'm coloured" which makes no COTDAMN sense neither.
Because the mixing came from black Xhosa women being raped and birthing mixed children by white Slave Owners.

But to put that in context, they've literally only been freed from apartheid for 20years, just think about that. A lot of them don't see the error in their ways of thinking their oppressor taught them.
Lighter and darker nikkaS got separated by skintone when they were oppressed to control them.
Meaning, if you were lighter you were coloured. If you were dark you were black.
So the lighter felt superior to the darker skin tone causing internal conflict.
But since it's so recent some still don't see they are all the same nikkaS.
Light or Dark, they're still nikkaS (word to Jay Z)

So in that sense dark skin blacks also have been treated worse than their
lighter Black or Latino counterpart. But that all comes from slavery.

I've traveled all over the globe and lemme tell you the more you travel and know about slavery the more you'll be able to put this issue in context for those that aren't educated on the matter.

Blacks and Latino's are nikkas.
A lot of these "light skin Brazilians" were nikkas (black) that mixed with white Portuguese oppressors due to rape in the colonization era.
That's why they speak Portuguese in Brazil
Why they speak Dutch in Suriname
Why they speak German in Namibia

I can go on and on.

On top of that, because of slavery, a lot of nikkas don't know where they are from.
Outside of the fact they are Black so it must be traced somewhere in Africa
So if you don't know anything about you ancestry before you were enslaved except for a small portion of your Latino roots I can understand why some will think that's just what they are. Even tho that's not accurate.

On top of that the whole gang war between Latino's and Blacks causes that confusin to people.
And makes that rift look bigger instead of looking at the history

It's no different than crip in crip violence if you think about it.

Anyway, with all that being said.

Dizaster needs to get touched for thinking shyt sweet for a Arab to say nikka

I dont consider Cortez , or let's say fat Joe a white Hispanic. Clearly from the width of their noses, to the kinkyness in there hair texture, muscle mass, body structure etc, there lineage is from the side of africans who occupied those areas and needed uprisings revolts wars to free themselves just as we did. As a old buddy of mine who is Puerto Rican says when we talk, we all come from the same place, only thing that separates us is where the boat stopped.

The confusion with Brazilians being defined by the white oppressor as Latino by linguistics opposed to genetics is important the confusion.
The Portuguese went to Brazil and forced them to speak Portuguese, and by doing that changed their definition from Black to Latino.

In Suriname (South America, right on top to Brazil)
They were FORCED to speak Dutch by the Dutch during colonization. That doesn't make them euro or any way less of a victim of slavery when they were also put on ships and sold to
the same places the slaves from Africa were. If you're from NY you know this by Sranan Dey.

The white oppressor has caused the internal confusion and that's the problem.
Even if you think about it.
Why are Native Americans even called native-Americans when they were here first and should be called Americans just like Africans ain't labeled as native-Africans, they're Africans.
THINK about that, outside of the US when they think of an American they think white people instead of Indians. THINK about that, they MADE it that way.
Why are Black people defined as Afro-American
But people don't call white people Euro-american, THINK about that.
The white oppressor has made themselves the norm while making us afro-american.
Making Indians native-american. And making themselves "American" instead of euro-american.

Just like how some people don't immediately think Black person when thinking about a Brazilian.
They think of a light-skinned person, which was created during slavery through rape by the Portuguese white oppressor.

By creating the internal conflict between black people is where the defide came where some Latino's embraced their african lineage/brothers and some didn't.

Fact remains, Latino's can't be brushed of as "them" by default.
Cause that would be ignoring a huge amount of black history that is still present to this day.

nikkas really need to know the historic facts and definitions of Latino to

Sidenote: this wasn't specifically to you breh lol.
I know you already mentioned you won't lose any sleep over it.

Just wanted to get my facts off cause I'm very passionate about black history lol

 

[TripleAgent]

at clips 3-0 thesarus

thesarus is better at everything

Not that day. shyt was like a comedian bombing. Firing on no cylinders. You could hear a good fart during his rounds. I felt bad for him.

 

[Momentum]

for a minute I thought i was in TLR with all this who can/cant say nikka. Lets just agree Diz needs his ass whooped for saying it and keep all the extra stuff out of TBZ

Some of these c00ns must enjoy listening to Fat Joe call black people ****** on the daily because he *may* have a black great great great grandparent.

 

[wizworld]

I dont consider Cortez , or let's say fat Joe a white Hispanic. Clearly from the width of their noses, to the kinkyness in there hair texture, muscle mass, body structure etc, there lineage is from the side of africans who occupied those areas and needed uprisings revolts wars to free themselves just as we did. As a old buddy of mine who is Puerto Rican says when we talk, we all come from the same place, only thing that separates us is where the boat stopped.

Basically. This picture says it all imo. If you were to pick one person in the pic whose features resemble Cortez's the most, who would it be?

 

[Ardamus]

Dude in part 1 said it best tho about battle: it's half truth and half fiction.