Religion/Spirituality Vegetarianism, Veganism, and just reducing your meat intake.

[Mr. Somebody]

 

[krackdagawd]

He's gotta be on HGH. No way he can maintain that muscle eating beans.

I'm pretty sure he is straight edge breh.

His supplement stash.

It is possible just very difficult since plant protein is

 

[Brown Ant]

He's gotta be on HGH. No way he can maintain that muscle eating beans.

Bean protein will give you the same amount of capacity to build muscle than meat protein. God damn y'all are ignorant as fukk

Why don't you try to go on the diet before slamming it without first hand experience?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Its so demonic, friends.

 

[bouncy]

Again, I linked several studies that were done in the last 1-3 years that have shown the effects of fructose on different parts of the body, including the brain. Not only HFCS, but fructose in general. Feel free to debunk those studies or link counterpoints cause I sure as hell can't find them.

I've been hearing a lot of opinions here, but I've yet to see anyone properly source a recent scientific study to counter or back up their points.

Fructose when taken plain can cause problems, fruit has way more things in then just fructose. It has minerals fiber, antioxidants, and phytochemcials that we are still learning about. Fructose itself is good because it keeps your liver from thinking you are low in quick energy, and takes away glycogen from muscles to use for energy. In oher words it keeps you from losing muscle.
Btw, forive the spelling errors bit i hate typing on this tablet for thos forum.

 

[bouncy]

Well nobody eats "fats" or "proteins" (protein is not really something you can hold so you couldn't "eat protein" even if you tried). They eat substances composed of fats and proteins. The question is whether those substances are beneficial overall. Teaspoons of sugar are not beneficial at all except for pure energy

The other deal with sugar is that it has metabolic effects very different from other macronutrients. Eating too much sugar will throw your hormones out of whack when it comes to fat storage and stuff like that whereas eating too much protein won't do that in general

Too much protein can still hurt your body by stressig your kidneys. I'm doing research, for myself, connecting kidney issues with health problems. The thing is the problems start small, amd most people dont connect kodney problems
with hormonal problems but they are connected especially when you see that your adrenal glands are right on top of your kodneys

 

[Blackking]

Bean protein will give you the same amount of capacity to build muscle than meat protein.

Also, for the times that you get that meat eating itch .... fried eggplant and avocado sandwiches are very fulfilling. Also, The market for burgers that are meatless has really improved in recent years as well.
plus those spicy chicken (not real chicken) things with rice is good too.

 

[zerozero]

Too much protein can still hurt your body by stressig your kidneys. I'm doing research, for myself, connecting kidney issues with health problems. The thing is the problems start small, amd most people dont connect kodney problems
with hormonal problems but they are connected especially when you see that your adrenal glands are right on top of your kodneys

Yes. From my understanding someone with kidney disease shouldn't eat too high protein. My point was just that all macronutrients are not equal at all. They have very different effects

 

[OsO]

at the end of the day the ideal diet is a balanced diet. we want a good mix of fruits, veggies, and grains. meat is not necessary for survival, but if you do decide to indulge in eating meat at least eat natural quality meat, not the genetically modified shh.

and get consistent exercise.

 

[Consigliere]

Bean protein will give you the same amount of capacity to build muscle than meat protein. God damn y'all are ignorant as fukk

Why don't you try to go on the diet before slamming it without first hand experience?

I'm on a diet right now where I'm consuming 140-180g of protein a day. No shakes, no supplements.

So give me a breakdown of how you get that without meat & protein shakes or kick rocks. Show your work.

 

[Type Username Here]

"isn't it?"

That man said about 4 things already debunked, especially in regards to "if you eat too much protein it causes cancer" which is not true. Also, these athletes (which are a minority) who SWITCH to vegetarian diets have already had the benefits of eating animal protein and fats as children and young adults.

I'm on a diet right now where I'm consuming 140-180g of protein a day. No shakes, no supplements.

So give me a breakdown of how you get that without meat & protein shakes or kick rocks. Show your work.

These dudes are the worst. They neglect to mention a lot of these athletes turned to a vegan and vegetarian diet well after they ate animal products. That absolutely matters, especially during growth.

 

[Consigliere]

These dudes are the worst. They neglect to mention a lot of these athletes turned to a vegan and vegetarian diet well after they ate animal products. That absolutely matters, especially during growth.

Exactly. Theres a difference between eating what you need to maintain and eating what you need to grow. You need a minimum of 1g of protein/ day per pound of lean body weight to gain muscle.

A can of beans has maybe 24g of protein in it, you can maybe consume an additional 40g/ day from other plants and grains which would still leave you at a deficit.

 

[Type Username Here]

Exactly. Theres a difference between eating what you need to maintain and eating what you need to grow. You need a minimum of 1g of protein/ day per pound of lean body weight to gain muscle.

A can of beans has maybe 24g of protein in it, you can maybe consume an additional 40g/ day from other plants and grains which would still leave you at a deficit.

I wasn't just talking about building muscle mass, but actual growth. A lot of these athletes benefitted from growing up eating meat during childhood, teenage years, and during training regiments.

They'll point to Arian Foster, who famously switched to a Vegan diet. Except Foster benefitted from eating meat his entire life, and hasn't really stuck to a traditional vegan or vegetarian diet.

But it comes out today that Foster's vegan diet contains a unique source of protein: meat.

"I've been dabbling back and forth," Foster told the Houston Chronicle.

"I just like to eat healthy. The whole vegan thing, a lot of people are really interested in my food. … I've had meat since I said I don't eat meat anymore, but I like to stay with the plant-based foods, but every now and then, I'll eat something."

This sounds similar to what experts with expensive degrees in nutrition would call "omnivorous," eating a combination of plants and animals, or what the human species is evolved to do. But it's not. If you're on a diet, and you give in one night at 2 a.m. and eat two whole fun size bags of Pirate's Booty, and that half of a red velvet cake that Ramona insisted you take home and you told yourself you'd have a tiny slice here or there, and offer it to company, but now you can't help yourself and you just shovel the whole thing into your mouth with your hands and now you're crying and maybe they're tears of shame but really it's happiness because it's so so good, are you not still on a diet? Of course you are! You just went off it for a hot second. If you're not in it for the ethics, then veganism's not an identity; it's a cuisine. And Foster is able to put it in perspective:

"I'm not in a cult," Foster said. "Nothing's going to happen to me. I just wanted a piece of chicken. It wasn't like temptation. I felt like I could use one."
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http://deadspin.com/5959151/arian-foster-is-vegan-except-for-when-he-eats-chicken

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I f u eat swine your argument is invalid.

 

[Type Username Here]

If you don't provide a single scientific/dietitian source, and instead use guru youtube videos, you argument is definitely 100% invalid.