Was there a big talent gap between Tom Brady and the QB's in his era?

[Controversy]

I'm going to take this as that you don't comprehend that well.

just some of the "dudes nobody remembered"
-Corey Dillon
-Randy Moss
-Wes Welker
-Julian Edelman
-Gronk
- some dead guy
- Ty Law
- Richard Seymour
- Lawyer Milloy
- Vinatieri
- Vince Wilfork
- Willie McGinest
- Jerod Mayo
- Rodney Harrison
- Asante Samuel
- Stephon Gilmore

Edgerrin James
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
Dallas Clark
Jeff Saturday
Marshall Faulk
Dwight Freeney
Bob Sanders
Demarcus Ware
Von Miller
Robert Mathis
Demayrius Thomas
Julius Thomas
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aqib Talib
TJ Ward


Nikka

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Edgerrin James
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
Dallas Clark
Jeff Saturday
Marshall Faulk
Dwight Freeney
Bob Sanders
Demarcus Ware
Von Miller
Robert Mathis
Demayrius Thomas
Julius Thomas
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aqib Talib
TJ Ward


Nikka

I'm not sure what this is in reply to... because it's surely not to me replying to another poster claiming Brady was winning 12 games a season with a bunch of nobodys.... That was never the case at any stage of his career.


My overall point is that no QB has benefited more from sheer luck, HOF support, a stable organization to develop in, his division having 3 inept teams for the majority of his career, and his own pure skill than Brady.... and that's not even counting the tuck rule,spygate and such.

 

[Dorian Breh]

Until Brady started roiding he was definitely not an A tier thrower

 

[CM_Burns]

You're having revisionist history breh.

10 years ago it wasnt just Brady is the GOAT. Manning was racking up so many MVPs that it became a legit debate. Brady just ran away from him completely as Manning became washed.

Remember 10 years Brady was still just at 3 rings. Manning was actually beating Brady in the playoffs lately as well.

In 2011, 12, 13 Brady vs Manning was still very much a debate.

 

[KidJSoul]

I'm going to take this as that you don't comprehend that well.

just some of the "dudes nobody remembered"
-Corey Dillon
-Randy Moss
-Wes Welker
-Julian Edelman
-Gronk
- some dead guy
- Ty Law
- Richard Seymour
- Lawyer Milloy
- Vinatieri
- Vince Wilfork
- Willie McGinest
- Jerod Mayo
- Rodney Harrison
- Asante Samuel
- Stephon Gilmore

Are you serious?

Why are you bringing up gronk and moss?

Those guys came later...

Do you understand how time works? Do you live in some singularity realm?

We were talking about situations QBs entered or were given at the start of their careers

Almost half the guys on that list came when he was damn near 30. And few of them are on offense.

If you're including guys like Jerod Mayo and Asante Samuel who are not HOFers... then you are proving our point that he didn't enter some amazing situation with player development.

if the Pats provided that for Brady, then why the fukk have they not done shyt without him? Why did they miss the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years? And miss the playoffs the 2 previous years before he got there?

Why the fukk is the Patriots coaching tree so unsuccessful without Tom?

Quit lying to yourself.

 

[Bboystyle]

Rodgers postseason numbers are better than Brady too, you taking him first in the postseason?

You'd also need to consider taking Josh Allen over Rodgers using this logic.

We comparing Manning and Rodgers because we both know they had to overcome shytty defenses and teams given to them. Why do this?

 

[b. woods]

@Alvin Did you create this thread to incite stan wars?

 

[premier58]

If Peyton Manning had Andy Reid or a competent coach all those yrs in Indy, Brady would loss more and Peyton woulda won more. Peyton Manning was the goat regular season qb

Tony Dungy turned around the Bucs and took Shaun King to the NFC championship game, but apparently he cant coach?!?! Bullshyt!! So Dungy was making Peyton choke??

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Tony Dungy turned around the Bucs and took Shaun King to the NFC championship game, but apparently he cant coach?!?! Bullshyt!! So Dungy was making Peyton choke??

Tony Dungy is the most overrated coach in history. And he let Peyton do whatever he wanted to do. Peyton needed a strong figure to tell him to stop or put him in check. Beli put Brady in check when he started to go outside of the system.

Manning 2nd super bowl came when Kubiak controlled more of the offense. Manning needed a coach to tell him to run the fukkin ball. Throw short. He had too much on his plate vs Beli and great defensive coaches.

Dungy was a glorified defensive coordinator who never woulda won a title if he had to build the offense

 

[Bboystyle]

Tony Dungy is the most overrated coach in history. And he let Peyton do whatever he wanted to do. Peyton needed a strong figure to tell him to stop or put him in check. Beli put Brady in check when he started to go outside of the system.

Manning 2nd super bowl came when Kubiak controlled more of the offense. Manning needed a coach to tell him to run the fukkin ball. Throw short. He had too much on his plate vs Beli and great defensive coaches.

Dungy was a glorified defensive coordinator who never woulda won a title if he had to build the offense

I swear some of the most outlandish shyt I ever read about is on the coli

 

[Tony D'Amato]

I swear some of the most outlandish shyt I ever read about is on the coli

N1gga I seent it with my own eyes. Gruden 1 a title yr one with Dungys players. Yr 1. Dungy was clueless on how to build an offense. Gruden did it with scraps

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

By reading a lot of these threads I get this feeling like some posters don't understand what an NFL coach actually does. Brady had the best coach of the last 30 years.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

If your whole argument about QB's is "rings" you don't belong discussing football. The NBA threads are over there >>>

 

[premier58]

Tony Dungy is the most overrated coach in history. And he let Peyton do whatever he wanted to do. Peyton needed a strong figure to tell him to stop or put him in check. Beli put Brady in check when he started to go outside of the system.

Manning 2nd super bowl came when Kubiak controlled more of the offense. Manning needed a coach to tell him to run the fukkin ball. Throw short. He had too much on his plate vs Beli and great defensive coaches.

Dungy was a glorified defensive coordinator who never woulda won a title if he had to build the offense

Doublt talking. One minute, its Peyton is the OC, now its his fault for not reigning Manning in? Manning fans claim everyone who ever coached or played with him was only good because of him. Manning had meltdowns with all his HC's from Fulmer to Mora to Dungy to Caldwell to Fox.

 

[premier58]

If your whole argument about QB's is "rings" you don't belong discussing football. The NBA threads are over there >>>

This is lazy analysis. Performance wise based kn advance stats, DVOA, EPA, PFF,.QBR, Brady and Manning are the two best QBs ever. You were literally just talking about DVOA in another thread, but watch you ignore how elite Brady ranks in that category. Has nothing to do with rings, you are arguing with yourself.