We all agree Drake ended Common career right?

[mobbinfms]

In the couple of years that Drake has been around, he has already achieved levels of success, acclaim, and standing in the game that Common has not gotten remotely close to....no need to revisit in 2015, there is no pretty much no way Drake would trade his rap career for Common's...i just have a hard time imagining Drake conceding a spectacular run contending for the tier 1 rap throne (no matter what happens from this point onward), in exchange for basically nothing in return but "props from the real hip hop headz son!" or whatever...if he were that kind of rapper, he would've kept on middling around on the local toronto rap scene and dropping free mixtapes with phonte and elzhi features instead of going for his and taking over the major leagues...he's of the jay-z lineage of rappers

I don't even want to seriously consider what a top 10 rapper/actor list looks like ...but yeah we're in agreement in that if that's his ceiling, drake would prolly feel disappointed at it

Success and acclaim from a mainstream billboard perspective? Absolutely.

Com's standing in the game is well above Drake. Drake doesn't have a classic album. He doesn't have a top ten GOAT hip hop song like I Used To Love Her. And most importantly, and I see where philosophically we differ, he does not have the "props from the real hip hop headz son". Remember that there always has been, and continues to be - a backlash against Drake from the core hip-hop audience. He's never been fully accepted.

What separates him and Jay are classic albums and songs and respect from the core community.

Personally I like Drake and think he's talented. I think the hate against him is unwarranted. Hopefully he'll get it together and drop some classic shyt.

 

[StraxStrax]

If you go to IMDB.com it seems like Common is actually having the overall career that Drake claimed he wanted after So Far Gone took off...What happened to all the talk of Drake being the next Will Smith and having his own sitcom and leading roles in blockbuster films?

He's mos def a success musically, but the whole roll out plan for him suggested he was gonna be a serious double threat...

I think Drake would do well in a sitcom.

Drake is a techer in Toronto living 2 roommates, fellow techer named Grant (played by Ben Foster) and rearly seen deadbeat friend Skewie (played by Lil Wayne and is mix of Kramer and Dj Jazzy jeff) and Birdman as their landlord.

 

[feelosofer]

 

[ManBearPig]

Common wasn't deep in the music biz like that anymore anyway. The Dreamer/the Believer and Take Care both made by 2011/2012 winter special

 

[Ill-Yaz]

no, especially considering they met up and neither one of them did shyt, but lets be honest, common would beat drake the fukk up

You bet

 

[CrimsonTider]

Lol at Commons music career being better than Drakes

 

[Mr.Black]

You bet

still looks more manly than drake on that magazine cover, that nikka look like his facial hair was airbrushed on

 

[Consigliere]

Nah. Drake took an L and Common looked like a bully.

 

[mobbinfms]

Lol at Commons music career being better than Drakes

Career is probably the operative word there. Drake has had more commercial/billboard/mainstream success. Com made better music and is held in higher regard as a musician.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

drake is basically 3 albums deep into a career






When did you start listening to Hip Hop...2008?!?

Nope...been listening to hip hop my entire life, including the entirety of Common's career...and there's not one point in Com's entire career where he's been anywhere remotely close to being That Dude in rap..."that dude" being roughly the rap game equivalent of the NBA MVP, going to the most popping and most impact artist in hip hop at any given time...not even a candidate...not in the early 90's when Chronic-Era Dre and West Coast gangsta rap as a whole ruled the day...not in the mid-90s when it was about Bad Boy and Death Row...not in the late 90's when No Limit, DMX, Jay-Z, Cash Money rose to prominence...not in the early 2000s during Em and Jay's reigns...or the mid 2000s during the emergence of 50 and Kanye....or the late 2000s to current with YMCMB, MMG and the new breed taking over (Kendrick, Cole, etc.)...compared to Drake who's basically three albums deep into being, at least, a top 5 That Dude candidate (think the rap equivalent of All NBA 1st team) consistently since he stepped on the scene properly in '09...the type of artist that creates songs that become anthems that define moments in time, that puts out songs that become "events" before they are even released just off of anticipation...that isn't saying that common's career hasn't been great...he's had a lot of longevity, even if never becoming a top tier impactful artist...and will always pop up in some people's "top lyricists" lists...but drake's not trading his career (short as it's been to this point) of contending for the "throne" for that

You're right.. But I doubt it's in the way you think you are...

You honestly think if an angel descended from Heaven tonight, and asked Aubrey "would like to trade your music career for Common's" he'd say yes? I'm just not seeing a scenario where that happens

Success and acclaim from a mainstream billboard perspective? Absolutely.

Com's standing in the game is well above Drake. Drake doesn't have a classic album. He doesn't have a top ten GOAT hip hop song like I Used To Love Her. And most importantly, and I see where philosophically we differ, he does not have the "props from the real hip hop headz son". Remember that there always has been, and continues to be - a backlash against Drake from the core hip-hop audience. He's never been fully accepted.

What separates him and Jay are classic albums and songs and respect from the core community.

Personally I like Drake and think he's talented. I think the hate against him is unwarranted. Hopefully he'll get it together and drop some classic shyt.

See...it isn't about where WE differ philosophically, as much as it's about where Drake stands in that regard...remember, the issue we're discussing is "Drake would love to have Common's career and legacy"...would Drake trade everything he's done in his music career up to this point, in exchange for Common's career?...I frankly don't see it

Also the "real hip hop son!" crowd =/= the core hip-hop audience....the "real hip hop son!" crowd is actually a small, vocal minority contingent of the core hip hop populace that likes to pretend they have sole ownership of hip hop...but actually lost that war way back in the mid-90's ("I USED to Love Her", ironically enough being one of their theme songs in the same vein "Dixieland" is beloved by Confederate loyalists over a century after the south lost the Civil War)...they were the crowd hating on Biggie for the "Big Willy-ism" or whatever back then...hating on Jay-Z and Cash Money and DMX in the late 90's and so on so forth....since they lost the Hip Hop Culture Wars way back in the Biggie/Tupac days, they've been largely marginalized and don't really have much sway as to the direction of hip hop or what's actually the most impactful acts in the game...other than echo chambers of perpetual complaint on various corners of the internet...the backlash from those types towards Drake for example, has meant something very closely approximating not a goddamned thing ...he's still been one of the singular defining figures in hip hop for years now...which is something Common has never approached being at any point of his career and what I meant by standing

The ACTUAL core hip hop audience = all of the lil subset fanbases of hip hop culture put together...so in theory the "real hip hop son!" crowd isn't the entirety of hip hop's base anymore than "southern trap rap" or "west coast gangsta rap" fans...in practical terms, they prolly hold less sway than trap just based on recent rap trends, but slightly besides the point....

So as far as how all of this pertains to "Drake would love to have Common's career"...do you think Drake cares more about making some stuck in the 90's "real hip hop son!" dude's cliche ass "all time classic album list (that all just so happen to be released in the Clinton Era )"....more than having an entire generation of rap fans quote his lyrics like catch phrases (many of whom do indeed think he has classic albums in So Far Gone and Take Care) and having his rap idols like Jay deem him the "Kobe Bryant to my MJ" or have Kanye come out and claim he's the inspiration for WTT because they can feel him on their heels?....if this were Joey Badass we were talking about, then maybe...but Drake? not a chance

 

[bigrodthe1]

Nope...been listening to hip hop my entire life, including the entirety of Common's career...and there's not one point in Com's entire career where he's been anywhere remotely close to being That Dude in rap..."that dude" being roughly the rap game equivalent of the NBA MVP, going to the most popping and most impact artist in hip hop at any given time...not even a candidate...not in the early 90's when Chronic-Era Dre and West Coast gangsta rap as a whole ruled the day...not in the mid-90s when it was about Bad Boy and Death Row...not in the late 90's when No Limit, DMX, Jay-Z, Cash Money rose to prominence...not in the early 2000s during Em and Jay's reigns...or the mid 2000s during the emergence of 50 and Kanye....or the late 2000s to current with YMCMB, MMG and the new breed taking over (Kendrick, Cole, etc.)...compared to Drake who's basically three albums deep into being, at least, a top 5 That Dude candidate (think the rap equivalent of All NBA 1st team) consistently since he stepped on the scene properly in '09...the type of artist that creates songs that become anthems that define moments in time, that puts out songs that become "events" before they are even released just off of anticipation...that isn't saying that common's career hasn't been great...he's had a lot of longevity, even if never becoming a top tier impactful artist...and will always pop up in some people's "top lyricists" lists...but drake's not trading his career (short as it's been to this point) of contending for the "throne" for that



You honestly think if an angel descended from Heaven tonight, and asked Aubrey "would like to trade your music career for Common's" he'd say yes? I'm just not seeing a scenario where that happens



See...it isn't about where WE differ philosophically, as much as it's about where Drake stands in that regard...remember, the issue we're discussing is "Drake would love to have Common's career and legacy"...would Drake trade everything he's done in his music career up to this point, in exchange for Common's career?...I frankly don't see it

Also the "real hip hop son!" crowd =/= the core hip-hop audience....the "real hip hop son!" crowd is actually a small, vocal minority contingent of the core hip hop populace that likes to pretend they have sole ownership of hip hop...but actually lost that war way back in the mid-90's ("I USED to Love Her", ironically enough being one of their theme songs in the same vein "Dixieland" is beloved by Confederate loyalists over a century after the south lost the Civil War)...they were the crowd hating on Biggie for the "Big Willy-ism" or whatever back then...hating on Jay-Z and Cash Money and DMX in the late 90's and so on so forth....since they lost the Hip Hop Culture Wars way back in the Biggie/Tupac days, they've been largely marginalized and don't really have much sway as to the direction of hip hop or what's actually the most impactful acts in the game...other than echo chambers of perpetual complaint on various corners of the internet...the backlash from those types towards Drake for example, has meant something very closely approximating not a goddamned thing ...he's still been one of the singular defining figures in hip hop for years now...which is something Common has never approached being at any point of his career and what I meant by standing

The ACTUAL core hip hop audience = all of the lil subset fanbases of hip hop culture put together...so in theory the "real hip hop son!" crowd isn't the entirety of hip hop's base anymore than "southern trap rap" or "west coast gangsta rap" fans...in practical terms, they prolly hold less sway than trap just based on recent rap trends, but slightly besides the point....

So as far as how all of this pertains to "Drake would love to have Common's career"...do you think Drake cares more about making some stuck in the 90's "real hip hop son!" dude's cliche ass "all time classic album list (that all just so happen to be released in the Clinton Era )"....more than having an entire generation of rap fans quote his lyrics like catch phrases (many of whom do indeed think he has classic albums in So Far Gone and Take Care) and having his rap idols like Jay deem him the "Kobe Bryant to my MJ" or have Kanye come out and claim he's the inspiration for WTT because they can feel him on their heels?....if this were Joey Badass we were talking about, then maybe...but Drake? not a chance

nikka ain't nobody reading all that shyt!

 

[Long Live The Kane]

nikka ain't nobody reading all that shyt!

 

[Da King]

@ this entire thread


Common making HOLLYWOOD money, he making more money per film then drake off any album, drake has to pay Wayne, birdman, slim every time he make a penny

 

[Never Broke Again]

Common out here demoted to a mixtape rapper and giving verses to the GOOD Music crew goin through a midlife crisis ever since that verse dropped

Caddilac Com

 

[Fmju]

Nope...been listening to hip hop my entire life, including the entirety of Common's career...and there's not one point in Com's entire career where he's been anywhere remotely close to being That Dude in rap..."that dude" being roughly the rap game equivalent of the NBA MVP, going to the most popping and most impact artist in hip hop at any given time...not even a candidate...not in the early 90's when Chronic-Era Dre and West Coast gangsta rap as a whole ruled the day...not in the mid-90s when it was about Bad Boy and Death Row...not in the late 90's when No Limit, DMX, Jay-Z, Cash Money rose to prominence...not in the early 2000s during Em and Jay's reigns...or the mid 2000s during the emergence of 50 and Kanye....or the late 2000s to current with YMCMB, MMG and the new breed taking over (Kendrick, Cole, etc.)...compared to Drake who's basically three albums deep into being, at least, a top 5 That Dude candidate (think the rap equivalent of All NBA 1st team) consistently since he stepped on the scene properly in '09...the type of artist that creates songs that become anthems that define moments in time, that puts out songs that become "events" before they are even released just off of anticipation...that isn't saying that common's career hasn't been great...he's had a lot of longevity, even if never becoming a top tier impactful artist...and will always pop up in some people's "top lyricists" lists...but drake's not trading his career (short as it's been to this point) of contending for the "throne" for that



You honestly think if an angel descended from Heaven tonight, and asked Aubrey "would like to trade your music career for Common's" he'd say yes? I'm just not seeing a scenario where that happens



See...it isn't about where WE differ philosophically, as much as it's about where Drake stands in that regard...remember, the issue we're discussing is "Drake would love to have Common's career and legacy"...would Drake trade everything he's done in his music career up to this point, in exchange for Common's career?...I frankly don't see it

Also the "real hip hop son!" crowd =/= the core hip-hop audience....the "real hip hop son!" crowd is actually a small, vocal minority contingent of the core hip hop populace that likes to pretend they have sole ownership of hip hop...but actually lost that war way back in the mid-90's ("I USED to Love Her", ironically enough being one of their theme songs in the same vein "Dixieland" is beloved by Confederate loyalists over a century after the south lost the Civil War)...they were the crowd hating on Biggie for the "Big Willy-ism" or whatever back then...hating on Jay-Z and Cash Money and DMX in the late 90's and so on so forth....since they lost the Hip Hop Culture Wars way back in the Biggie/Tupac days, they've been largely marginalized and don't really have much sway as to the direction of hip hop or what's actually the most impactful acts in the game...other than echo chambers of perpetual complaint on various corners of the internet...the backlash from those types towards Drake for example, has meant something very closely approximating not a goddamned thing ...he's still been one of the singular defining figures in hip hop for years now...which is something Common has never approached being at any point of his career and what I meant by standing

The ACTUAL core hip hop audience = all of the lil subset fanbases of hip hop culture put together...so in theory the "real hip hop son!" crowd isn't the entirety of hip hop's base anymore than "southern trap rap" or "west coast gangsta rap" fans...in practical terms, they prolly hold less sway than trap just based on recent rap trends, but slightly besides the point....

So as far as how all of this pertains to "Drake would love to have Common's career"...do you think Drake cares more about making some stuck in the 90's "real hip hop son!" dude's cliche ass "all time classic album list (that all just so happen to be released in the Clinton Era )"....more than having an entire generation of rap fans quote his lyrics like catch phrases (many of whom do indeed think he has classic albums in So Far Gone and Take Care) and having his rap idols like Jay deem him the "Kobe Bryant to my MJ" or have Kanye come out and claim he's the inspiration for WTT because they can feel him on their heels?....if this were Joey Badass we were talking about, then maybe...but Drake? not a chance

You really love that boy Aubrey don't you?