We all agree Drake ended Common career right?
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Professor Polo
80s Baby
No.... OP lost
He feeds us
He made us eat well off piff like Started from the botton, 5 am, and All Me and they aint even gon be on da album
He delivers memorable verses and hooks
And well..he just delivers that piff
OG Talk
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Delivering memorable verses and hooks is what great pop artists do...I get why my 11 year old niece and all her friends like him.. Hes soft on the ears, melodic and says things that are easy to digest.He feeds us
He made us eat well off piff like Started from the botton, 5 am, and All Me and they aint even gon be on da album
He delivers memorable verses and hooks
And well..he just delivers that piff
Im not trying to take shots here...But what makes tv and music such a different mediam where you and Napolean can sit around with my daughters girl scout troop and have the same visceral reaction to dude rapping.. Ive witnessed these girls rap his verses bar by bar without breaking a sweat or missing a beat.. But I dont think yall would sit around and watch Nick or Disney Channel with them and have the same level of excitement..
Look Drake is talented and makes good songs..Not great but good... But he doesnt make music for grown heterosexual men... Its okay for you to casually observe and like him the same way I might do a chick flick or WNBA game.. But for you to be fanatic for him is unsettling for me..
Cool. Name them.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
Not in the slightest..but I understand how you come to that conclusion...it's a nuanced point that I'm making and "oh so you think sales mean you're the best
" is one of the easiest strawmen to construct...there are definitely talents that lend themselves to success, like songwriting and hitmaking, but success in and of itself is not synonymous with talent...this concept of being "that dude" is not even solely tied to success, especially not strictly mainstream success...I'm talking the guys that are impacting, dictating and directing the pulse of the game...in the way that Rick Ross has been contention for it while never sniffing a platinum plaque, while a guy like Macklemore who's bout to touch a million and has multiple #1 one pop hits ain't even on the ballot...it takes a bit of objectivity, that for whatever reason a lot of people simply don't have, to be honest with yourself and admit when somebody is that dude who you may not particularly dig as much as the hip hop populace at large does...but at the end of the day, certain shyt just can't be denied...like I hold it as almost a badge of honor to be one of the biggest 50 Cent haters on the site, but I'm first to admit that he was in unquestionably that dude or in contention during his run in the mid 2000s...I hate the Heat more than is prolly physically healthy, but they got the chip 
Which leads me to this:
Name me who are the top 5 rap game MVPs candidates over let's say the last 2 years....because if Drake not only isn't one of them, but nowhere close...you're either in flat out denial or completely out of touch with the current pulse of the game...there's certain shyt that are just fundamental observable facts, that you may not agree with or are unhappy about, but are truth in reality neverthelessIf I told you Started From the Bottom was one of the biggest anthems of this year...and that Drake singlehandedly took a random mixtape track from a random up and coming ATL rap group, threw a verse on it, and turned it into one of the biggest athems in hip hop this summer simply by virtue of being "that dude" right now ...what would be your response? a subjective qualitative critique of his verses? If so, I'm sorry...but tha's not really how anthems work
The bolded is EXACTLY what the issue is...at least it's entirely what this discussion is about...I responded to a post saying Drake would love to have Common's career, and you responded to my post disagreeing with me...it's not subjective as much is it speculative (based on what we know about Drake and the things he's explicitly said about his intentions and outlook on the game are)...now if you are instead randomly now changing the argument, and attempting to make it which of their careers YOU (subjectively) think is "better" in a hippity hop context...that's fine, but it just doesn't really have shyt to do with me or my post you initially quotedDisagree with this completely, and it's kind of indicative of the short-sightedness and overall folly of the "real hip hop son!" crowd in general....can separate the wheat from the chaff according to who? What are about the hip hop fans that knew their history, live and died the music...but didn't think Biggie, Prodigy (or Jay as he actually said) or Nas were the best? There is no one set of approved opinions that define one to be a "core" or "true" or "real" hip hop fan...opinions are just opinions, some are more widely held than others...but simply opinions all the same...
The core as you're describing it, absolutely did lose the war...acts that were being vilified as killing hip hop by that crowd back then....see: Dr. Dre, Pac, Ice Cube and pretty much the entirety of West Coast Gangsta Rap that Common decried on I USED to Love and Biggie and later his symbolic successor Jay-Z and the entirety of East Coast Flossy Big Willy-ism as attacked by Jeru, BCC and mocked by The Roots....have been now been exalted as hip hop's most holy and iconic figures...people pretend like they were never under fire as the big bad mainstream acts and universally loved, retroactively making them saints in "real hip hop son!' mythology on some Catholic Church tricknology type shyt and just apply that same sentiment to the newer acts making their mark on the current scene (and it's a perpetual process...the real hip hop heads used to crucify Cash Money when they first blew, now all we hear is how much of a classic 400 Degreez and how Mannie Fresh is untouchable rap legend
)...but it's a wrap, that shyt has been out the window...commerce didn't win over art and integrity as much as it became embraced as one of the factors, though not the only one...the corporations dont have more sway than the actual hip hop populace, to me that's just an excuse as to when people don't agree with who the populace has actually chosen...no amount of corporate push is gonna make hip hop go crazy and wild when Macklemore or Flo Rida drops a random remix verse
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I don't normally use smileys, but I clearly struck a nerve here, so...
Go fukk yourself? Really? Shout out to @Long_Live_The_Kane for making your case for you with well written posts and not getting all emotional. As he suggested - you should strive to up the level of discourse around here.
So now I'm an elitist? For not thinking Drake is a GOAT? Drake is talented on the mic. He just ain't made no classics.
Of course core fans exist. This has nothing to do with regions or brands of rap. Did you even read my post? The part about Bun B vs. Master P?
How is comparing catalogs ridiculous? How would you suggest we compare Drake and Com then? Record sales? Number of songs with DJ Khaled?
Com > Drake. But I wouldn't say far and away.
What does anything I wrote have to do with age?
I'm not mad at Drake for being successful. I wish him the best. Like I said, hopefully he'll get it together one day and drop a classic.
His last album was great. So was Finding Forever. Be absolutely shyts on both of them of course."better music?"
You mean his last album?
Common aint really been shyt since "Be"
Universal Mind Control though...
Elicgric Circus though...
Basura
common music being held in higher regard Drake's has had a better career than Common.
Abstract83
Superstar
Common shytted on drake something serious the entire time. Seriously how old are yall in this thread. Common raps drake sings lullabyes and raps weak/soft ass verses most of the time. Drake spit that weak ass non threatening subliminal verse and ya say he ended coms rap career lmao gtfoh. Ya cheerleading for a nikka that dont want no new friends lmao. I swear ya gotta be related to him or work for him to have these stupid opinions lmao. And drake even said he didnt want no problems. Lmao askin can he eat/live?
The "beef" had zero impact on either of their careers. Drake is the current "in" trendy rapper to like, who I'm sure will be ostracized by his fans in a few years....because that's how these things always work out. It's like clock work.
But for now, he's on, and the chance of Common doing anything to his career was zero.
Common dropped an album, and it did exactly the numbers you would expect it to with him being in the rap game 20ish years. I can't give Drake credit for those numbers any more than I could give a new rapper credit for ending Drake's career 15 years from now if he decided to drop an album and it flopped.
And I'm sure this is the part where a delusional Drake stan will claim he'll still be on top in 15 years, so I'll chuckle in advance.
Fred.
But for now, he's on, and the chance of Common doing anything to his career was zero.
Common dropped an album, and it did exactly the numbers you would expect it to with him being in the rap game 20ish years. I can't give Drake credit for those numbers any more than I could give a new rapper credit for ending Drake's career 15 years from now if he decided to drop an album and it flopped.
And I'm sure this is the part where a delusional Drake stan will claim he'll still be on top in 15 years, so I'll chuckle in advance.
Fred.
The hell are you talking about? The "who is the GOAT?" shyt was around since the early 80s.
Fred.
ThatTruth777
Superstar
Ice Cube > Common and always was 