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Not particularly, no...but this is the level of discourse expected I suppose...be a better poster, and at least pretend to formulate and make something resembling a point
We all agree Drake ended Common career right?
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Nope...been listening to hip hop my entire life, including the entirety of Common's career...and there's not one point in Com's entire career where he's been anywhere remotely close to being That Dude in rap..."that dude" being roughly the rap game equivalent of the NBA MVP, going to the most popping and most impact artist in hip hop at any given time...not even a candidate...not in the early 90's when Chronic-Era Dre and West Coast gangsta rap as a whole ruled the day...not in the mid-90s when it was about Bad Boy and Death Row...not in the late 90's when No Limit, DMX, Jay-Z, Cash Money rose to prominence...not in the early 2000s during Em and Jay's reigns...or the mid 2000s during the emergence of 50 and Kanye....or the late 2000s to current with YMCMB, MMG and the new breed taking over (Kendrick, Cole, etc.)...compared to Drake who's basically three albums deep into being, at least, a top 5 That Dude candidate (think the rap equivalent of All NBA 1st team) consistently since he stepped on the scene properly in '09...the type of artist that creates songs that become anthems that define moments in time, that puts out songs that become "events" before they are even released just off of anticipation...that isn't saying that common's career hasn't been great...he's had a lot of longevity, even if never becoming a top tier impactful artist...and will always pop up in some people's "top lyricists" lists...but drake's not trading his career (short as it's been to this point) of contending for the "throne" for that
You honestly think if an angel descended from Heaven tonight, and asked Aubrey "would like to trade your music career for Common's" he'd say yes?I'm just not seeing a scenario where that happens
See...it isn't about where WE differ philosophically, as much as it's about where Drake stands in that regard...remember, the issue we're discussing is "Drake would love to have Common's career and legacy"...would Drake trade everything he's done in his music career up to this point, in exchange for Common's career?...I frankly don't see it
Also the "real hip hop son!" crowd =/= the core hip-hop audience....the "real hip hop son!" crowd is actually a small, vocal minority contingent of the core hip hop populace that likes to pretend they have sole ownership of hip hop...but actually lost that war way back in the mid-90's ("I USED to Love Her", ironically enough being one of their theme songs in the same vein "Dixieland" is beloved by Confederate loyalists over a century after the south lost the Civil War)...they were the crowd hating on Biggie for the "Big Willy-ism" or whatever back then...hating on Jay-Z and Cash Money and DMX in the late 90's and so on so forth....since they lost the Hip Hop Culture Wars way back in the Biggie/Tupac days, they've been largely marginalized and don't really have much sway as to the direction of hip hop or what's actually the most impactful acts in the game...other than echo chambers of perpetual complaint on various corners of the internet...the backlash from those types towards Drake for example, has meant something very closely approximating not a goddamned thing...he's still been one of the singular defining figures in hip hop for years now...which is something Common has never approached being at any point of his career and what I meant by standing
The ACTUAL core hip hop audience = all of the lil subset fanbases of hip hop culture put together...so in theory the "real hip hop son!" crowd isn't the entirety of hip hop's base anymore than "southern trap rap" or "west coast gangsta rap" fans...in practical terms, they prolly hold less sway than trap just based on recent rap trends, but slightly besides the point....
So as far as how all of this pertains to "Drake would love to have Common's career"...do you think Drake cares more about making some stuck in the 90's "real hip hop son!" dude's cliche ass "all time classic album list (that all just so happen to be released in the Clinton Era)"....more than having an entire generation of rap fans quote his lyrics like catch phrases (many of whom do indeed think he has classic albums in So Far Gone and Take Care) and having his rap idols like Jay deem him the "Kobe Bryant to my MJ" or have Kanye come out and claim he's the inspiration for WTT because they can feel him on their heels?....if this were Joey Badass we were talking about, then maybe...but Drake? not a chance
5 star post
I'm enjoying watching Common fans runnin around like a chicken with they head cut off "bu bu but he doin tv and movies
"....now u know how it feels to have a overated diss be hyped up to be some shyt that bodied a legend
"....now u know how it feels to have a overated diss be hyped up to be some shyt that bodied a legend
I asked you a question. I'm not about to participate in the bytchassness of this thread. I thought you were a better poster than this too. Didn't expect you to sink to level of aubrey graham dikk rider.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
Sorry my post hurt your feelings
... but you are indeed participating in the thread...just not in anyway that's substantive
I swear the coli gets more retarded every day....
Drake ending Common's career? Common is more popular now than he's ever been as a rapper/actor/performer. He's starring in a critically acclaimed television show, movies, and still drops albums and tours. A little tiff with Drake is not enough to end an MC of Common's reputation career...
Drake ending Common's career? Common is more popular now than he's ever been as a rapper/actor/performer. He's starring in a critically acclaimed television show, movies, and still drops albums and tours. A little tiff with Drake is not enough to end an MC of Common's reputation career...
I really get the sense that you believe mainstream success and talent are synonymous?Nope...been listening to hip hop my entire life, including the entirety of Common's career...and there's not one point in Com's entire career where he's been anywhere remotely close to being That Dude in rap..."that dude" being roughly the rap game equivalent of the NBA MVP, going to the most popping and most impact artist in hip hop at any given time...not even a candidate...not in the early 90's when Chronic-Era Dre and West Coast gangsta rap as a whole ruled the day...not in the mid-90s when it was about Bad Boy and Death Row...not in the late 90's when No Limit, DMX, Jay-Z, Cash Money rose to prominence...not in the early 2000s during Em and Jay's reigns...or the mid 2000s during the emergence of 50 and Kanye....or the late 2000s to current with YMCMB, MMG and the new breed taking over (Kendrick, Cole, etc.)...compared to Drake who's basically three albums deep into being, at least, a top 5 That Dude candidate (think the rap equivalent of All NBA 1st team) consistently since he stepped on the scene properly in '09...the type of artist that creates songs that become anthems that define moments in time, that puts out songs that become "events" before they are even released just off of anticipation...that isn't saying that common's career hasn't been great...he's had a lot of longevity, even if never becoming a top tier impactful artist...and will always pop up in some people's "top lyricists" lists...but drake's not trading his career (short as it's been to this point) of contending for the "throne" for that
You honestly think if an angel descended from Heaven tonight, and asked Aubrey "would like to trade your music career for Common's" he'd say yes?
See...it isn't about where WE differ philosophically, as much as it's about where Drake stands in that regard...remember, the issue we're discussing is "Drake would love to have Common's career and legacy"...would Drake trade everything he's done in his music career up to this point, in exchange for Common's career?...I frankly don't see it
Also the "real hip hop son!" crowd =/= the core hip-hop audience....the "real hip hop son!" crowd is actually a small, vocal minority contingent of the core hip hop populace that likes to pretend they have sole ownership of hip hop...but actually lost that war way back in the mid-90's ("I USED to Love Her", ironically enough being one of their theme songs in the same vein "Dixieland" is beloved by Confederate loyalists over a century after the south lost the Civil War)...they were the crowd hating on Biggie for the "Big Willy-ism" or whatever back then...hating on Jay-Z and Cash Money and DMX in the late 90's and so on so forth....since they lost the Hip Hop Culture Wars way back in the Biggie/Tupac days, they've been largely marginalized and don't really have much sway as to the direction of hip hop or what's actually the most impactful acts in the game...other than echo chambers of perpetual complaint on various corners of the internet...the backlash from those types towards Drake for example, has meant something very closely approximating not a goddamned thing
The ACTUAL core hip hop audience = all of the lil subset fanbases of hip hop culture put together...so in theory the "real hip hop son!" crowd isn't the entirety of hip hop's base anymore than "southern trap rap" or "west coast gangsta rap" fans...in practical terms, they prolly hold less sway than trap just based on recent rap trends, but slightly besides the point....
So as far as how all of this pertains to "Drake would love to have Common's career"...do you think Drake cares more about making some stuck in the 90's "real hip hop son!" dude's cliche ass "all time classic album list (that all just so happen to be released in the Clinton Era
Drake is nowhere near being top 5 "that dude" unless you exclude quality of music as a factor.
What anthem does Drake have? Take Care? Find Your Love? Best I Ever Had?
The closest he's come to matching quality with mainstream impact was The Motto. I'll give him that. That was a huge song where his verse was top shelf.
The issue isn't whether Drake would trade careers with Common. That's subjective. The issue is a comparison btwn the two.
The core hip hop audience is the audience that can separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. The listeners who know their history and live and die the music. It's not a regional thing, the core can differentiate between Bun B and Master P. Jay put it best, the core argues all day about whose the best emcees, Biggie, Prodigy and Nas. There's probably 500k or so fans. Artists don't go double platinum off the core. That's casual fans and suburban white kids.
The core did t lose a culture war. Commerce won out over art and integrity. Hip hop hads no quality control at this point. The major corporations have more sway in defining who "That dude" is then the core.
What does Drake want? Not money and fame. He's got that. For an artist as successful as he is, his primary concern at this point is legacy IMO. He'd give anything to have his Illmatic. His Mind Is Playing Tricks On Me. He wants to go out as one of the greats. But he doesn't have a catalog for that.
And I agree that many kids think he has classic records (a lot of my wife's teenage cousins are/were obsessed with him) but the core is split on him.
how can you seriously say Drake doesn't have GOAT songs?
This whole GOAT bullshyt didn't exist when Common was around and Drake is only 4 years in the game.
Ya'll aren't even applying the same criticism here.
Oh ok. So Commmon has a "hip hop sound?"
Go fukk yourself.
I'm tired of all these "elitists" making it sound like Drake can't rap better than most of these nikkas or like Drake can't simultaneously make something for ANY audience.
"Core fans" don't exist. They're are nikkas who pretend that only their brand of rap is better than everyone elses.
I love Common's discography (for the most part)...but to compare careers or even catalogue of songs is ridiculous. Drake is far and away a better MC imo.
Ya'll really letting "age" define ya'lls barometer of talent.
Ya'll weren't paying attention when Drake was LITERALLY the biggest underground rap artist with Comeback Season. So now he's killing the mainstream and nikkas hate it.
Nope...been listening to hip hop my entire life, including the entirety of Common's career...and there's not one point in Com's entire career where he's been anywhere remotely close to being That Dude in rap..."that dude" being roughly the rap game equivalent of the NBA MVP, going to the most popping and most impact artist in hip hop at any given time...not even a candidate...not in the early 90's when Chronic-Era Dre and West Coast gangsta rap as a whole ruled the day...not in the mid-90s when it was about Bad Boy and Death Row...not in the late 90's when No Limit, DMX, Jay-Z, Cash Money rose to prominence...not in the early 2000s during Em and Jay's reigns...or the mid 2000s during the emergence of 50 and Kanye....or the late 2000s to current with YMCMB, MMG and the new breed taking over (Kendrick, Cole, etc.)...compared to Drake who's basically three albums deep into being, at least, a top 5 That Dude candidate (think the rap equivalent of All NBA 1st team) consistently since he stepped on the scene properly in '09...the type of artist that creates songs that become anthems that define moments in time, that puts out songs that become "events" before they are even released just off of anticipation...that isn't saying that common's career hasn't been great...he's had a lot of longevity, even if never becoming a top tier impactful artist...and will always pop up in some people's "top lyricists" lists...but drake's not trading his career (short as it's been to this point) of contending for the "throne" for that
You honestly think if an angel descended from Heaven tonight, and asked Aubrey "would like to trade your music career for Common's" he'd say yes?
See...it isn't about where WE differ philosophically, as much as it's about where Drake stands in that regard...remember, the issue we're discussing is "Drake would love to have Common's career and legacy"...would Drake trade everything he's done in his music career up to this point, in exchange for Common's career?...I frankly don't see it
Also the "real hip hop son!" crowd =/= the core hip-hop audience....the "real hip hop son!" crowd is actually a small, vocal minority contingent of the core hip hop populace that likes to pretend they have sole ownership of hip hop...but actually lost that war way back in the mid-90's ("I USED to Love Her", ironically enough being one of their theme songs in the same vein "Dixieland" is beloved by Confederate loyalists over a century after the south lost the Civil War)...they were the crowd hating on Biggie for the "Big Willy-ism" or whatever back then...hating on Jay-Z and Cash Money and DMX in the late 90's and so on so forth....since they lost the Hip Hop Culture Wars way back in the Biggie/Tupac days, they've been largely marginalized and don't really have much sway as to the direction of hip hop or what's actually the most impactful acts in the game...other than echo chambers of perpetual complaint on various corners of the internet...the backlash from those types towards Drake for example, has meant something very closely approximating not a goddamned thing
The ACTUAL core hip hop audience = all of the lil subset fanbases of hip hop culture put together...so in theory the "real hip hop son!" crowd isn't the entirety of hip hop's base anymore than "southern trap rap" or "west coast gangsta rap" fans...in practical terms, they prolly hold less sway than trap just based on recent rap trends, but slightly besides the point....
So as far as how all of this pertains to "Drake would love to have Common's career"...do you think Drake cares more about making some stuck in the 90's "real hip hop son!" dude's cliche ass "all time classic album list (that all just so happen to be released in the Clinton Era
Yo.
You went the fukk in.
Salute my brother.
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Brooklyn the planet...
Drake didn't end anyone's career. You fans need to realize that Common comes from the era where didnt need to release albums every year to stay relevant. Also common is doing other things to garner an income. He has his acting. He also owns various properties in Chicago and NYC including Brooklyn. I see him in my part of town alot. He owns some brownstones around me.
As far as music, common can do whatever the fukk he wants. No one is ending his career. And everything is subjective. Success to some maybe mainstream. Maybe maybachs and Lambos. To others it might just mean using their talents to put food on the table and clothes on their back. Com been in the game since 92. What rappers besides Nas and Jay are even getting half the attention and deals Com gets? They shared a girl. And Drake tried to use it as atom bomb. But com hit him with some jabs and it never got to anything. So no one ended shyt. Both making money doing what they do. Let em live
As far as music, common can do whatever the fukk he wants. No one is ending his career. And everything is subjective. Success to some maybe mainstream. Maybe maybachs and Lambos. To others it might just mean using their talents to put food on the table and clothes on their back. Com been in the game since 92. What rappers besides Nas and Jay are even getting half the attention and deals Com gets? They shared a girl. And Drake tried to use it as atom bomb. But com hit him with some jabs and it never got to anything. So no one ended shyt. Both making money doing what they do. Let em live
Nope...been listening to hip hop my entire life, including the entirety of Common's career...and there's not one point in Com's entire career where he's been anywhere remotely close to being That Dude in rap..."that dude" being roughly the rap game equivalent of the NBA MVP, going to the most popping and most impact artist in hip hop at any given time...not even a candidate...not in the early 90's when Chronic-Era Dre and West Coast gangsta rap as a whole ruled the day...not in the mid-90s when it was about Bad Boy and Death Row...not in the late 90's when No Limit, DMX, Jay-Z, Cash Money rose to prominence...not in the early 2000s during Em and Jay's reigns...or the mid 2000s during the emergence of 50 and Kanye....or the late 2000s to current with YMCMB, MMG and the new breed taking over (Kendrick, Cole, etc.)...compared to Drake who's basically three albums deep into being, at least, a top 5 That Dude candidate (think the rap equivalent of All NBA 1st team) consistently since he stepped on the scene properly in '09...the type of artist that creates songs that become anthems that define moments in time, that puts out songs that become "events" before they are even released just off of anticipation...that isn't saying that common's career hasn't been great...he's had a lot of longevity, even if never becoming a top tier impactful artist...and will always pop up in some people's "top lyricists" lists...but drake's not trading his career (short as it's been to this point) of contending for the "throne" for that
You honestly think if an angel descended from Heaven tonight, and asked Aubrey "would like to trade your music career for Common's" he'd say yes?
See...it isn't about where WE differ philosophically, as much as it's about where Drake stands in that regard...remember, the issue we're discussing is "Drake would love to have Common's career and legacy"...would Drake trade everything he's done in his music career up to this point, in exchange for Common's career?...I frankly don't see it
Also the "real hip hop son!" crowd =/= the core hip-hop audience....the "real hip hop son!" crowd is actually a small, vocal minority contingent of the core hip hop populace that likes to pretend they have sole ownership of hip hop...but actually lost that war way back in the mid-90's ("I USED to Love Her", ironically enough being one of their theme songs in the same vein "Dixieland" is beloved by Confederate loyalists over a century after the south lost the Civil War)...they were the crowd hating on Biggie for the "Big Willy-ism" or whatever back then...hating on Jay-Z and Cash Money and DMX in the late 90's and so on so forth....since they lost the Hip Hop Culture Wars way back in the Biggie/Tupac days, they've been largely marginalized and don't really have much sway as to the direction of hip hop or what's actually the most impactful acts in the game...other than echo chambers of perpetual complaint on various corners of the internet...the backlash from those types towards Drake for example, has meant something very closely approximating not a goddamned thing
The ACTUAL core hip hop audience = all of the lil subset fanbases of hip hop culture put together...so in theory the "real hip hop son!" crowd isn't the entirety of hip hop's base anymore than "southern trap rap" or "west coast gangsta rap" fans...in practical terms, they prolly hold less sway than trap just based on recent rap trends, but slightly besides the point....
So as far as how all of this pertains to "Drake would love to have Common's career"...do you think Drake cares more about making some stuck in the 90's "real hip hop son!" dude's cliche ass "all time classic album list (that all just so happen to be released in the Clinton Era
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Drake stans slowly coming for that worst stanbase title. Jigga and EM stans need to protect what's yours brehs
Man I get it if you're just a young sassy n1gga, or a troll, or a Canadian...But for the folks that don't fit in either one of those 3 catagories their reaction to him has me completely baffled... And its not to say Drake doesnt make good songs because that would be disingenuous. But to describe him as that dude when it comes to spittin classic hip hop verses now I gotta question what you consider the bar to be...
He raps in clichés with a voice that sounds almost pre pubescent...Hes the only rapper that's made the word nikka sound like a racial slur
His greatest talent is that he's a great mimic, not a biter but an impressionist. Almost like an Eminem.
Anyway the grown man bumpin for Drake thing is foreign to me...I bet Nick Cannon kicks himself everyday for coming out 6 years too early.. He could have been in the same conversations with Rakim and Scarface but his audience just wasn't ready..