What was the biggest reason for the drop off sales wise between Diddy’s 1st and 2nd albums?

[Tetris v2.0]

A lot changed from 97 to 99. Puff lost a lot of footing by then, no BIG, Mase had already fallen off and the LOX were out.

Musically it didn't have the mafia theme of No Way Out that drew a lot of folks in at that time.

A new generation of pop music was happening and Puff tried to reinvent himself and failed. His next album wasn't any better, but the "Diddy" brand took off and became known for Hollywood/media shyt basically

 

[JustCKing]

YOU JUST SHOT YOURSELF IN
THE FOOT.

CANT NOBODY HOLD ME
DOWN DEBUTED ON JAN 3, 1997...

ALL OF A SUDDEN
ON MARCH 22, 1997
IT WENT NUMBER 1 ON THE CHARTS
FOR 6 STRAIGHT WEEKS.

NAH IT WASNT
A BIGGIE DEATH STIMULUS AT ALL.


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It still dropped months before Biggie died. Sure it peaked at #1 like three weeks after he died, but it wasn't sudden. You're only telling half the story. I could see if the song was falling off the charts and then it just suddenly peaked at #1.

 

[JustCKing]

No Way Out was FRESH off Biggies death and boosted by a tribute song that came out almost immediately after. there's no comparison there. Biggie had a ghost like presence on No Way Out. By 99 it wasn't nearly as much of a thing

No Way Out was fresh off of Life After Death, which was also a monster success. You do realize No Way Out sold like 6-7 million copies to Life After Death's 5 million (multiplied by 2 for a diamond certification). Why did No Way Out outsell Life After Death? It would make more sense that more people would've picked up the album from the person being mourned if we're basing No Way Out's success on Biggie's passing.

 

[JustCKing]

^^^ Forever had songs like this. NOBODY talks about this song. It's like it never existed. If the same song dropped in 1997 or even early 1998, it would've been a smash hit. In 1999, it sounded dated.

 

[Yayo Toure]

Puff couldn't make the sequel the same was as the first(directly coping 80s songs and adding bars to them), since that style got played with guys like Jay-Z making similar albums to no way out. So he tried something new, had inferior writers and flopped big time.

The fact is puff isn't very talented musically so there was no way he could sustain any music success he had.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Now that I look at it, Puffy’s albums outside of No Way out were either disappointments or big flops

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The saga continues bombed

 

[Rasille]

Where were the singles? Where was his “Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down”? Where was his “Been Around The World”? Where was his “All About The Benjamin’s”? Where was his “Missing You”? Where was his “Victory”?

That Public Enemy sample was garbage and forgettable. Satisfy You was okay and easily the best single he put out. That religious single in an attempt to recreate Missing You was terrible too.

Also there was no Ma$e or someone like him to fill that spot either.

 

[Rasille]

^^^ Forever had songs like this. NOBODY talks about this song. It's like it never existed. If the same song dropped in 1997 or even early 1998, it would've been a smash hit. In 1999, it sounded dated.

This sounds like a late 96-97 era song

 

[JustCKing]

^^^ again, this album was dated in 1999.

Then there were poor attempts at production that was hot in '99:

 

[Big Boss]

Also DMX happened to

 

[Yehuda]

Just wanted to say "Best Friend" is my favorite song on Forever, "the power of the truth went shooting through my Timberlands®" is some of the most powerful, vivid imagery ever laid on wax.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

A lot changed from 97 to 99. Puff lost a lot of footing by then, no BIG, Mase had already fallen off and the LOX were out.

Musically it didn't have the mafia theme of No Way Out that drew a lot of folks in at that time.

A new generation of pop music was happening and Puff tried to reinvent himself and failed. His next album wasn't any better, but the "Diddy" brand took off and became known for Hollywood/media shyt basically

I always say if Biggie had lived he would've left Bad Boy for Roc-A-Fella in '98/99. He was never really down with that glossy Jiggy shyt, just doing what Puff wanted cuz it sold records. If he saw the tide shifting and Puffy stupidly sticking to his guns he probably would've wanted out.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Ppl only tolerated puffs gay ass bc of BIG. Once Biggie was gone there was no reason to pretend puff was dope.

 

[Ozymandeas]

The early 2000s remix era was litty though

He ran the J'Lo break up into the ground

 

[Michael's Black Son]

The Latin version

RIP Hurricane G but this shít is a fùcking abomination right along with Come To Me from the Godzilla movie.