What was the biggest reason for the drop off sales wise between Diddy’s 1st and 2nd albums?

[YourMumsRoom]

I get it though, with death and artists leaving Puff just wanted to bet on himself...no interference. The problem was he was new-rich and it sounded like no producer/exec could tell him those singles wouldn't work.
He still killed it wit Sean John that year tho so.

 

[African Peasant]

No way out was basically a bad boy compilation album.
forever was basically puffy.

The most valid answer.

No Way Out was carried by the whole Bad Boy, including the aura of BIG.

Forever was Puff by himself. That's how it was marketed and how it was felt. Plus, no more BIG (leftover verse does not count), no more Mase and Lox. No one cared about Puff as a solo artist.

That's why "his" next album 'The Saga Continues' came back to the compilation formula and it was a way better album than that Forever trash.
Also, the cover of Forever was mad corny.

The saga continues bombed

Yeah, but it was a good album.

It's just that Bad Boy at that time was already on its way out

 

[Wild self]

Puff became one of the most hated men in rap by 99. Rap also moved fast back then and he was making music that was hot for 96/97 not 99.

Like someone said, DMX came in Summer of 1998 and changed everyone's taste in rap forever. Puff just didn't get the memo and gotten exposed by stagnating his sound and his approach.

 

[360dagod]

Now that I look at it, Puffy’s albums outside of No Way out were either disappointments or big flops

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The saga continues bombed

Puffy had 1 foot out of music at that point...

As long as his singles popped off to keep his name in the public eye and cross promote, that's all that mattered to him...

 

[Art Barr]

fukk puff.


Art Barr

 

[bigde09]

Like someone said, DMX came in Summer of 1998 and changed everyone's taste in rap forever. Puff just didn't get the memo and gotten exposed by stagnating his sound and his approach.

Not just X. Jay too. What he was doing on Vol.2 was different from Reasonable Doubt and Vol.1. Puff was left behind thinking that glossy Bad Boy sound was still hot.

 

[JustCKing]

Not just X. Jay too. What he was doing on Vol.2 was different from Reasonable Doubt and Vol.1. Puff was left behind thinking that glossy Bad Boy sound was still hot.

This. In 1999, Hip Hop was completely different from what Puff was doing in 1997. There was X, Juve and CMR, and Em.

 

[TripleAgent]

No BIG

 

[Canon]

He shoulda done a Mase collab album, but he left. The era changed completely under his feet so going hard wit how rich he was in comparison to everybody else was his only avenue.
The label formats used to be hip-hop one year RnB the next and it's sad cos Carl Thomas, Faith and Total's albums were all solid. So he just let the Hitmen shine on Pun, Kim and lotta other people's albums.

Never seen anyone suggest that but it would have been a brilliant idea after there first albums

 

[Metal Face]

No Biggie stimulus

 

[JustCKing]

Biggie features was not going to help Puff in 1999. People forget that on No Way Out, Mase, The Lox, and Black Rob were new artists. Biggie of course, was already a superstar. Puff became a Pop superstar in 1997. He was everywhere. There wasn't a stimulus you could give to Puff in 1997 because HE WAS THE STIMULUS. Puff was either a cameo in every video (even videos that had nothing to do with Bad Boy i.e. Missy's "The Rain") or was on the album. From Mariah to Jay Z to LL Cool J to even KRS-One had Puffy's fingerprints on their music. Fast forward to 1999 and Puffy went from being everywhere to being reduced to a footnote. His 1999 began with cracking Steve Stoute over the head with bottle and ended with him in cuffs for a shootout at a nightclub.

 

[bigde09]

Biggie features was not going to help Puff in 1999. People forget that on No Way Out, Mase, The Lox, and Black Rob were new artists. Biggie of course, was already a superstar. Puff became a Pop superstar in 1997. He was everywhere. There wasn't a stimulus you could give to Puff in 1997 because HE WAS THE STIMULUS. Puff was either a cameo in every video (even videos that had nothing to do with Bad Boy i.e. Missy's "The Rain") or was on the album. From Mariah to Jay Z to LL Cool J to even KRS-One had Puffy's fingerprints on their music. Fast forward to 1999 and Puffy went from being everywhere to being reduced to a footnote. His 1999 began with cracking Steve Stoute over the head with bottle and ended with him in cuffs for a shootout at a nightclub.

Shine shyt was his wake up call. Changed his image and became more accessible and comedic.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

OD

 

[C-Styles]

it got nothing to do with everything everyone said. He could've still done the sampling he was doing and gotten a hot album. The thing is the production was stale af for the most part, the sampling just didn't have the same MIXING that the 97 albums had. The song writing wasn't there, because like i previous stated, the sampling wasn't the problem, he still got a hit out of the R.Kelly joint, it was the fact that most of the sampling on here was lazy af. You gotta realize this project came out the year a sh*t load of pop singles we're charting. Back street boys and n'sync we're on FIRE, so nah he still had that window open from 97 to still do the same formula. He had TRL by the ear and could drop by anytime. The overall downfall of that album was just being on auto pilot, that's all, simple. It don't gotta do nothing with BIG, Mase leaving, LOX bailing, none of that, it was the simplicity of being on auto pilot.

 

[OrdaineD]

DMX happened

This is the correct answer. DMX pretty much killed that jiggy shyt