What will it take to actually get a Heel real heat?

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Yea that gimmick was actually well crafted initially, then it went to straight to hell :snoop:
Same premise as the nation of domination in my opinion. Why have they gotta ruin every interesting gimmick they have when it has real potential? That same year we got a monster heel push for Chris masters and they tried to push rob Conway and Kerwin white :shaq2:
 

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Be a Muslim or any foreign guy that bashes America always works.

They're kindasorta doing the exact opposite with Mustafa Ali's face push on 205... had him debut a little bit heelish and had him switch up on that "I assumed you'd hate me because brown and muslim, but you're so WELCOMING! I LOVE AMERICA!"
 

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1. Heels shouldn't have merchandise for sale at shows
2. Heels shouldn't have catchphrases unless the heel is already established
3. Heels shouldn't interact positively with the crowd
4. If need be Heels should be bullies
5. Heels should be heels 24/7
this includes no twitter/IG even if you stay in character. da fucc is a villain tweeting for?
 

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The reason WWE is having trouble establishing any true "heels" in the traditional sense is because they pick the fan favorites with cult followings to be heels.

Look at when Styles was most recently a full heel.....he was still over AF and would get cheered like a mf. Same thing with KO
 

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This is the social media era breh.

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But if he starts doing heel stuff, fans will cheer. Same with Cena.

exactly, same haters he has now will all simultaneously jump on his dikk the minute he gives his first heel promo, and before you know he'll be a face again because he'd be out popping everyone, then gets booed out the building again
 

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You gotta be completely anti-fan

Remember when ppl started cheering HHH heading into his match again Roman at Wm. He got cheers just bc everyone hates Roman.

So what does HHH do? Comes out and insults the crowd for 10 mins about how they are losers in life and he's not.
 

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Heels always have cheers though,evn in the old days, some heels were made in a way that blacks loved them, majority whites hated them.

I think the problem is no real faces. Heels operate only in response to generating support for a face. You don't have any real true baby faces, you have wrestlers people like or smarks like for their "technical ability" but you don't have characters that fans like for character reasons. You don't have a heel character that people hate for fukking over a good character or being a thorn in his side.

I think that is the real problem. A business that hates characters or good characters, given fans no reason to cheer or boo for any other reason outside of "technical ability" or gymnastics in the ring.
 

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You gotta be completely anti-fan

Remember when ppl started cheering HHH heading into his match again Roman at Wm. He got cheers just bc everyone hates Roman.

So what does HHH do? Comes out and insults the crowd for 10 mins about how they are losers in life and he's not.
I disagree with that, I don't think a good heel gets the crowd to boo you or hate you.
A good heel gets the crowd to cheer for the face of the match.
 

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You gotta be completely anti-fan

Remember when ppl started cheering HHH heading into his match again Roman at Wm. He got cheers just bc everyone hates Roman.

So what does HHH do? Comes out and insults the crowd for 10 mins about how they are losers in life and he's not.

you can't be a heel with catch phrases or sing a long theme entrances, you either a heel or you're trying to be cool for the marks and get no heat
 
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