what would a top 5 list in 1994 look like?

[Art Barr]

I remember the discussion about being on the third album and rappers not being relevant beyond that point. That is still irrelevant. That has more to do with number of albums than it does age. In 1994, there were rappers three albums deep under age 25.

I am not acting like a b boy. I am posing legitimate questions and all I've gotten is ramblings. I asked for specifics and not a blanket statement like "everything changed after Illmatic". I'm specifically talking about who or what changed in 1994 as a direct result of Illmatic. How did the soundscape change? What artists started trying to emulate his style? What influence did it have on slang? What did it do to change the overall trajectory of Hip Hop in 1994 to where you had to put Nas in a Top 5 All Time?

First off I supplied this in the first post in this rant again. Go fukk'n read it.
It even has two distinct terms supplied as well to distinguish both eras.
You are culturally obtruse and selectively skimming to not get it just to be culturally defiant. You sound like a cultural thief who is into misappropriation now.

Why are you so fascinated with hip hop when you do not give a fukk about hip hop. You got gangsta culture, jiggy culture their movements to go partake in go do them and stop worrying about hip hop. You can't though cause you looking to see what you can misappropriate.

Stop asking me narcissistic ass questions thinking imma be like you and try to flodge.


Art Barr

 

[JustCKing]

First off I supplied this in the first post in this rant again. Go fukk'n read it.
It even has two distinct terms supplied as well to distinguish both eras.
You are culturally obtruse and selectively skimming to not get it just to be culturally defiant. You sound like a cultural thief who is into misappropriation now.

Why are you so fascinated with hip hop when you do not give a fukk about hip hop. You got gangsta culture, jiggy culture their movements to go partake in go do them and stop worrying about hip hop. You can't though cause you looking to see what you can misappropriate.

Stop asking me narcissistic ass questions thinking imma be like you and try to flodge.


Art Barr

So basically you're going to keep rambling.

You don't even know me to know what I care about or what I should feel about Hip Hop. On that note I'm done with you vecause this is going nowhere.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

So basically you're afraid of getting sonned like always

You've never sonned me

 

[BmoreGorilla]

How exactly was Illmatic moving the culture in 1994?

5 mics in the Source. Which was a huge deal back then. Him along with Big and the Wu brought the east coast back

 

[BmoreGorilla]

One more thing I wanted to address. How exactly was being 25 veing relatively ild for a rapper? Biggie was 22 when he dripped his debut in 1994. A lot of the rappers discussed here were at or near Pac's age, but @Wacky D is saying 25 was relatively old.

Most rappers debuted not too long outta hs back then and released an album on average every two years. Most never made it past 3 albums. Just think. Kane is only one year older than Jay yet was washed by the time Jay released his debut. Run DMC were considered old men when Down With the King dropped and they were in their mid 20s. 30 year old rappers is a relatively new thing

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

5 mics in the Source. Which was a huge deal back then. Him along with Big and the Wu brought the east coast back

That's not moving culture,that's receiving east coast benefits in the form of propaganda

 

[BmoreGorilla]

That's not moving culture,that's receiving east coast benefits in the form of propaganda

Well being that the Source was the most respected publication back then that meant something. But Nas raised the bar for fellow east coast MCs

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Well being that the Source was the most respected publication back then that meant something. But Nas raised the bar for fellow east coast MCs

Wrongfully respected like slavery used to be.
It was clearly bias.
We're talking bout the whole rap game though,not 1 region.
Btw,what did nas do that was new?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Wrongfully respected like slavery used to be.
It was clearly bias.
We're talking bout the whole rap game though,not 1 region.
Btw,what did nas do that was new?

Nobody said Nas did anything new btw. But there's a reason documentaries have been made on this album. If you didn't like it that's cool. But clearly the album left a mark on the culture
I guess it was bias when Ice Cube and Outkast got 5 mics as well

 

[Wacky D]

1.Wrong it's actually a great comparison. It was immediately following two back to back albums just like predator followed two back to back classics. You wasnt even alive when "black Michael jackson" was dropping albums lil nikka. You dont even know that experience. Like I said,despite Bad not being thriller and Predator not being death certificate,both were classics. NOTHING in your response negates that. You lose

2.You said Predator was NOT a top tier album of 1992.
("1.the predator was a few steps down from his previous albums.

2.and also not on par with the top-tier albums of the time."
http://www.thecoli.com/goto/post?id=28855478#post-28855478 )
You seemed pretty sure of yourself. I asked you what albums were above it and why/how so AND YOU COULDN'T ANSWER. You just continue to spin instead of BACKING UP WHAT YOU SAID. You lose again

3.I didnt miss anything,you were on your hating on THE PREDATOR album bullshyt,
(3.the predator being his most successful elbum is the reason why ice cube's legacy is so underrated actually.
http://www.thecoli.com/goto/post?id=28855478#post-28855478 )

Blaming The predator being a better success at retail for people underrating Cube.Citing that people would be more prone to go back to predator vs DC when they checked out cube.. It was a back handed compliment to Ice cube and also a bullshyt excuse for why Cube being underrated. When in reality,cube is underrated for the same reason EVERY west coast artist is underrated. I challenged your bullshyt theory BY ASKING WOULD PEOPLE WHOM DONT KNOW NASIR'S MUSIC,GO BACK TO THE ALBUMS THAT SOLD MORE THAN ILLMATIC? You lose



5.Why lie,when you know i'm going to son you with proof?
. You claim,IN THIS THREAD HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BONE'S INFLUENCE ON URBAN CULTURE (not hiphop culture like YOU CLAIM he was doing in the other thread,),when clear as day,he's right here talking about skills etc IN THIS VERY THREAD "Bizzy and crazy was regarded as way more skilled than Pac or snoop, breh." http://www.thecoli.com/goto/post?id=28748911#post-28748911
You lose again

6.And here you go ducking again. nikka if you really meant what you said: "krayzie & bizzy were clearly better lyricists than pac & snoop from day one breh. it doesn't take a full LP release to realize that." http://www.thecoli.com/goto/post?id=28855478#post-28855478
Why is it so hard for you to back it up? It's simple. Them dudes got 5/6 verses tops,on CREEPIN ON AH COME UP. Drop some of the ones that TOTALLY eclipse what pac and snoop did from 91'/92' through 94' on the microphone. GO!
You got Ohhla,you got rap genius etc. It;s not hard, if you really stand behind what you said.

So they need to outshine
The Chronic
Doggystyle
Murder was the case (not every song obviously)
Above the Rim (not every song obviously)
2pacalypse now
S4MN
Thuglife







8/9. This where you got it twisted. Those that oppose me on this subject are "comparing 6 months to 16 months" etc. I'm just holding the mirror a lil closer to them and putting a lil windex on it,so they can see clearly that they're wrong.
I didnt make the rules nor did i create this topic. Which is who were looking like top 5 through 1994. The argument is NOT which album was bigger from the beginning to the end of their sales run. The argument is whom did what through 1994. The winner of that argument is Snoop D.O. double G. over Bone. Bringing up what they did after 1994 is a whole different argument. Bringing up which album had a better run in it's totality is also a different argument. You and your daddy art lose again.

10.You jumped in and should of stayed in your lane.

11.a Anybody knows Creepin on ah come up was bigger than any 2pac album up to that point. However Krayzie and Bizzy were not clearly not big as 2pac in 1994 at all. (which was his argument) And personally i dont believe the group as a whole was bigger than 2pac in his totality.

11.B Nonsense. That thuglife tattoo,which made it's debut in 1993 is probably the most famous tattoo on any rapper and has been since it's inception. Also 2pac is responsible for popularizing tattoos amongst (non gang member) black people. I personally saw groups of dudes walking around with shaved heads,pac styled scarfs and tee shirts saying thug 4 life in 1995. Also there's a reason Mobb and Nas were adlibing "thuglife we still living it" in 1995.


11.C Illmatic was pumped up in the media. It flopped. And it wasnt running shyt outside the east

In closing,stay in a lil lame nikkas place and study this shyt before you step to someone as knowledgeable as me. #levels
#youWERENTthere
#whoRAISEDyou

this is too much. and half of it is stuff that I wasn't even arguing about.

1.) I was a fanatic of Michael Jackson in the '80s actually. I was CLEARLY referencing THE REAL O.G. mike jack fans that grew up on the Jackson five in real-time. they generally didn't care for their albums like that.
you exposed your hand by trying to bring up my age, seeing that you weren't even alive to be mentioned with the market that I'm referring to(and I can tell that you weren't raised up under the thurl types, so don't bother exposing yourself with a response). we already know that you use the age thing as a crutch. thanks for providing concrete evidence.

2.) I said predator wasn't on par with the top albums when it was out in terms of quality, and you wanted me to list every albums that was better, along with a reason for each. I could've listed the albums, but once you added all that extra chit, I passed.

3.) how does me saying that ice cube's legacy is underrated, translate into me hating?

5.) what do I have to lie about?? that's yall argument not mines. I was just tryna translate for you. leave me alone with this bullchit.

6.) what part of my last two responses to this did you not understand??

8/9.) more chit that was never my argument. the f*ck is wrong wit you?

11.) in other words, he had a nice tattoo, and got sneak-dissed by mob deep.

at some point, you have to come to grips with the fact that youre a suburban backwoods bama who calls himself "bigbadbossup".
go hashtag that.

 

[daze23]

does anyone think The Predator was a better album than Death Certificate?

 

[JustCKing]

Most rappers debuted not too long outta hs back then and released an album on average every two years. Most never made it past 3 albums. Just think. Kane is only one year older than Jay yet was washed by the time Jay released his debut. Run DMC were considered old men when Down With the King dropped and they were in their mid 20s. 30 year old rappers is a relatively new thing

Jay was in his late 20's when he broke through despite being younger when he rhymed with Jaz-O.

Kane and them debuted in the 80's and had albums that were already over 6 years old by 1994.

@Wacky D was talking about how 2Pac was considered old, which is what I was getting at. How is Pac old by 1994?

 

[JustCKing]

5 mics in the Source. Which was a huge deal back then. Him along with Big and the Wu brought the east coast back

I get that he got 5 mics and thats the thing. Wu nor Biggie got 5 mics, but both had bigger impacts. They even went awarded Biggie lyricist and album of the year even though he got 4.5 mics, 1/2 a mic less than Nas. How could Nas have brought back the East, when Wu dropped first and you're attributing at least partial credit to them?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Jay was in his late 20's when he broke through despite being younger when he rhymed with Jaz-O.

Kane and them debuted in the 80's and had albums that were already over 6 years old by 1994.

@Wacky D was talking about how 2Pac was considered old, which is what I was getting at. How is Pac old by 1994?

In 94 he wasn't considered old but in 96 when he was 25 he was getting to that point

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I get that he got 5 mics and thats the thing. Wu nor Biggie got 5 mics, but both had bigger impacts. They even went awarded Biggie lyricist and album of the year even though he got 4.5 mics, 1/2 a mic less than Nas. How could Nas have brought back the East, when Wu dropped first and you're attributing at least partial credit to them?

The combination of Nas, Big, and Wu brought back the east. It had been a minute since the east had that kinda level of new talent all coming out around the same time