"When God was dead for 3 days and 3 nights who was controlling the Universe?" - Ahmed Deedat

[Chelsea Bridge]

And what is your point ?

Ummmm My point is GOD and gods are not the same so I can see why it can be confusing based on the scripture he was referencing.

I thought my point was pretty clear

 

[Taadow]

So you didn't read my post on the first page then? Jesus Christ being God in the flesh is the whole point of Christianity.

Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true.



Jesus said "the Father is greater than I am"

Philippians 2:6,7 says he gave no consideration to being equal to God,
but "took a slave's form and became human." You cannot be a Big G "God in the flesh".
It's impossible.


You in here disputing these is at best "non-Christian", and at worst Blasphemy.
What you saying is the same thing the Jews called themselves hanging Jesus for.

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

Huh?

If that’s so then what does 1 Corinthians 15 verse 24-28 mean?

They are not contradictions. The contradiction is in the way he is INTERPRETING the verses and he is doing so because of a lack of understanding of the biblical narrative. As I alluded to in the rest of my previous post. If you like, and I'd much appreciate it if you did you can pick out any supposed contradictions from any verses you both posted and I shall explain it to you.

That however might not be necessary if you understand what I'm about to say next. You must understand that when Christ was in the flesh he was also SUBJECT to the flesh, subject to things of the flesh and subject to the limitations of the flesh. As the word said he was fully God but also fully man, he was the son of God but also the Son of man. In my consciousness was transferred into you body I'd be subject to the limitations of your body, your strength, your speed, your height but i would still be me. I'm me in the form of you, and being in the form of you encompasses everything that makes you you.

Understand what i was saying in the bold there. Understand the two are the same BUT YET DISTINCT, two forms of the same God but different in the nature. The nature of Christ is that of a man, as he is the word of God, which is God that was made flesh. Understand why this is so in the first place, why Jesus Christ had to be in the first place, the reason for his existence in the first place.


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Like i said in the first post, God is capale of existing in Multiple different distinct forms at the same time, and 'son of God' is a title that refers to the creation and conception of a being and does NOT mean Son in the sense of a human father and son.

 

[ReadOneBookAWeek]

Im so in love with reality that IDGAF about a spirituality or a spiritual world. Im focused on Earth, not Heaven or a diety that rules it, nor a hell and vulcanic fires of a so called devil.

Shoutout to Jesus, if he was real he was a reformer for the religion of his people. And his death did rid them of the bloody temple sacrifices of animals that had become a vice and was being exploited by certain sects of his people.

Jesus was especially upset with the moneychangers...who you think got him knocked off? (if he was real). The Herodian dynastic family to be specific. And the Pharisees, some of whom were also actual Roman citizens (e.g. Saul/Paul the Pharisee, Tax Collector, Roman Citizen...hmmm)

Then they hijacked his movement and called it Catholicism, and told US he died for our sins. None other the the Romans and the Pharisees had Jesus killed.

Jesus is not God though. Im not a Muslim in any form but theres no God but God.

The bolded isn't true. The apostles were preaching that Christ died for our sins centuries before Catholicism was manufactured. That's why I posted the bit about Arianism because most Christian's back then separated Christ from the Father but still acknowledge him as Lord and savior.

Also spirituality is reality. Christ's disciples asked him who would sit on his left and right hand in heaven and he told them the kingdom of heaven is already arrived and will be within you.

Christ's coming was all about transforming our lives on Earth. "Romans" took Christianity and mixed it with their Egyptian/Babylonian rooted paganism and made up a religion called Catholicism because so many people were converting they had to get ahead of it.

It's been proven without a doubt that Jesus existed so I don't know why you're acting like it's possible he didn't.

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true.



Jesus said "the Father is greater than I am"

Philippians 2:6,7 says he gave no consideration to being equal to God,
but "took a slave's form and became human." You cannot be a Big G "God in the flesh".
It's impossible.


You in here disputing these is at best "non-Christian", and at worst Blasphemy.
What you saying is the same thing the Jews called themselves hanging Jesus for.

I will spell this out for you.

They are not contradictions. The contradiction is in the way he is INTERPRETING the verses and he is doing so because of a lack of understanding of the biblical narrative. As I alluded to in the rest of my previous post. If you like, and I'd much appreciate it if you did you can pick out any supposed contradictions from any verses you both posted and I shall explain it to you.

That however might not be necessary if you understand what I'm about to say next. You must understand that when Christ was in the flesh he was also SUBJECT to the flesh, subject to things of the flesh and subject to the limitations of the flesh. As the word said he was fully God but also fully man, he was the son of God but also the Son of man. In my consciousness was transferred into you body I'd be subject to the limitations of your body, your strength, your speed, your height but i would still be me. I'm me in the form of you, and being in the form of you encompasses everything that makes you you.

God exists in Multiple different forms at the same time, one of those forms is the father, another is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is in the flesh, the word of God made in the flesh and as a result is SUBJECT TO THE THINGS OF THE FLESH. He is fully God as he is the word of God, a form of God which is God, but he is also FULLY MAN as that word was made flesh, in the likeness of man and dealt among us.So while in the flesh and SUBJECT TO THE THINGS OF THE FLESH, the father, another distinct form of the same God is indeed greater than Christ as the father is NOT in the flesh and NOT SUBJECT TO THE FLESH.

 

[Chelsea Bridge]

Understand what i was saying in the bold there. Understand the two are the same BUT YET DISTINCT, two forms of the same God but different in the nature. The nature of Christ is that of a man, as he is the word of God, which is God that was made flesh. Understand why this is so in the first place, why Jesus Christ had to be in the first place, the reason for his existence in the first place.


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

I feel like maybe we’re interpreting this differently. Jesus is NOT GOD but a perfect being that came from GOD to guide mankind on the righteous path. The Word is God. Jesus spoke God’s word but that doesn’t make him GOD. He is what GOD created to help mankind. That does not make them the same. Just as a child can be a product of their parents and speak in the way of their parents, do things the way their parents want them to do and guide people the way their parents would want but they are still not their parents.

Jesus is not GOD. He is God’s creation to help lead mankind on the path he wants them to be on.

The scripture says no man has seen GOD yet they’ve seen his son who is GOD’s creation.

If no man has seen GOD yet they’ve seen Jesus, if we go by your interpretation, it doesn’t make sense.

 

[alpo]

I always find it funny that these God-hating "atheists" never show up in any threads related to Islam, Hinduism, Buddism, or any other religion.

Yet they always have something negative to say about Christianity. They are doing exactly what the Bible said they would do, and they're not even aware. They literally dedicate enormous amounts of time to studying the Bible and memorizing Bible verses just to try to prove that God doesn't exist.

They have entire study guides worth of anti-Christian arguments bookmarked in a folder and ready to copy/paste at a moment's notice.

Why go through all the effort for a God that doesn't exist? Why only get upset about Christianity and not Sikhism or Baha'ism?

 

[Koichos]

In Judaism there is a concept called shytuf. If one considered Christianity to be shytuf (that is, to associate other powers to G-d, e.g., Jesus; and since the concept applies only to Jews), it would be forbidden for a Jew to practice that religion. A Jew who would accept Jesus, would therefore be worshiping idolatry. For a gentile, however, as long as he accepts the supremacy of G-d the Almighty, if he wants to believe that G-d works through an intercessor, or has some other intermediate powers, there is nothing in the Torah forbidding a gentile to believe that. It would be permissible for a gentile to believe in the trinity and perhaps even to worship Jesus or the 'holy spirit'. To reiterate, this is only assuming that one considers Christianity to be shytuf, which of course is debatable. Nevertheless, a Jew is forbidden from such practices.

Christianity has a cleft hoof but does not chew the cud; Islam chews the cud but does not have a cleft hoof. Israel and her Ger are kosher.

 

[Chelsea Bridge]

And Jesus is still the leader of the world until GOD takes over. How does that make sense if they are the same?

 

[Taadow]

I will spell this out for you.



God exists in Multiple different forms at the same time, one of those forms is the father, another is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is in the flesh, the word of God made in the flesh and as a result is SUBJECT TO THE THINGS OF THE FLESH. He is fully God as he is the word of God, a form of God which is God, but he is also FULLY MAN as that word was made flesh, in the likeness of man and dealt among us.So while in the flesh and SUBJECT TO THE THINGS OF THE FLESH, the father, another distinct form of the same God is indeed greater than Christ as the father is NOT in the flesh and NOT SUBJECT TO THE FLESH.

How are you gonna be "fully" one thing, and at the same time "fully" something else that is different from the first thing?

The answer is: you're not.
And you got nann scripture that will support this.

1. The Father has never ever ever been Flesh
2. "The Word" (Logos) is a representation. Jesus can represent The Father, but he cannot be him.

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

I feel like maybe we’re interpreting this differently. Jesus is NOT GOD but a perfect being that came from GOD to guide mankind on the righteous path. The Word is God. Jesus spoke God’s word but that doesn’t make him GOD. He is what GOD created to help mankind. That does not make them the same. Just as a child can be a product of their parents and speak in the way of their parents, do things the way their parents want them to do and guide people the way their parents would want but they are still not their parents.

Jesus is not GOD. He is God’s creation to help lead mankind on the path he wants them to be on.

The scripture says no man has seen GOD yet they’ve seen his son who is GOD’s creation.

If no man has seen GOD yet they’ve seen Jesus, if we go by your interpretation, it doesn’t make sense.

You just said the word is God, which is true but neglected the rest of the verses i posted to you.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Jesus did not just speak the word of God, Jesus WAS LITERALLY THE WORD OF GOD, which is God, and the word is made flesh, made into the form of a Human and dealt among us.

You said 'If no man has seen GOD yet they’ve seen Jesus, if we go by your interpretation, it doesn’t make sense'

It does make sense because no one has seen God, they saw THE FLESH. They didnt see the actual form of God did they? They saw the FLESH, Jesus Christ the human form that the WORD, which is God, was made into. If i dress up In a bear Outfit i can spend the whole day interacting with you BUT YOU HAVENT ACTUALLY SEEN ME, not in my true form which i am.

 

[Nintendough]

Listen to a musty choncleta wearing arabial that thinks marrying 9 year olds is wavy brehs

 

[IVS]

The bolded isn't true. The apostles were preaching that Christ died for our sins centuries before Catholicism was manufactured. That's why I posted the bit about Arianism because most Christian's back then separated Christ from the Father but still acknowledge him as Lord and savior.

Also spirituality is reality. Christ's disciples asked him who would sit on his left and right hand in heaven and he told them the kingdom of heaven is already arrived and will be within you.

Christ's coming was all about transforming our lives on Earth. "Romans" took Christianity and mixed it with their Egyptian/Babylonian rooted paganism and made up a religion called Catholicism because so many people were converting they had to get ahead of it.

It's been proven without a doubt that Jesus existed so I don't know why you're acting like it's possible he didn't.

Naw broskii. Jesus would have known better and so would Paul, and Matthew and others who could read Hebrew and were acquainted with their scriptures.

Ezekiel 18:20 "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

Psalm 49:7 No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him.

Or is it because Jesus is God, that its not a man being sacrificed for our sins, but the very MOST HIGH upon the cross.

 

[Taadow]

You just said the word is God, which is true but neglected the rest of the verses i posted to you.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Jesus did not just speak the word of God, Jesus WAS LITERALLY THE WORD OF GOD, which is God, and the word is made flesh, made into the form of a Human and dealt among us.

You said 'If no man has seen GOD yet they’ve seen Jesus, if we go by your interpretation, it doesn’t make sense'

It does make sense because no one has seen God, they saw THE FLESH. They didnt see the actual form of God did they? They saw the FLESH, Jesus Christ the human form that the WORD, which is God, was made into. If i dress up In a bear Outfit i can spend the whole day interacting with you BUT YOU HAVENT ACTUALLY SEEN ME, not in my true form which i am.

Exactly...Jesus was a REFLECTION of the Father - but he was not The Father.

"The Word" (logos) means "symbol" is not "God".

 

[null]

There are "peer reviewed articles" that say the Ancient Egyptians weren't black and we know with 100% certainty that they were. Scientific journals are made up of people and like every other walk of life there are politics and agendas that affect it. Stop looking for authority to tell you what's true and what isn't. Use your own mind. I don't need the scientific consensus to tell me whats true and what isn't. I can reason for myself.

With that said I'm sure there are some scientists who believe in the Simulation Theory. I first learned of the simulation theory watching science documentaries on The Science Channel. Guys like Neil DeGrasse Tyson even push it now. Not to mention Elon Musk.

Stop making baseless claims. It makes you look like you are unwell.