Why are Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga allowed to have massive flops and still get top billing?

[tremonthustler1]

So where are your examples of other artists getting this type of promo for an album:







and for it to only sell 2 million copies...the budget for those commercials alone had to have been over 10 million dollars

You still not understanding my question? or do you have other artists that have wasted money like these two and still get A+ star treatment?

The 20/20 Experience was the best selling album of 2013. I don't know why you continue to reference that project. The money that was spent on promotion was very much offset by the world tour that grossed $231 million. So knowing that, how did he waste money?

The funny thing about the Man of the Woods project is that for an album that didn't sell as much as his older stuff, even that world tour grossed $226 mil. JT is still a major tour draw.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

You ain't having a serious discussion. Posters have already gave you the answer to why Gaga gets top billing you keep playing confused.

That album cost the label 25 million dollars
Lady Gaga's ARTPOP Album Flop Expected To Lose Label $25M In Marketing Costs

so if your next response doesn't start with "the reason she can cost the label a whole NBA superstar contract and still have a career is..." then your ass is trolling.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Usher has sold more records than TimberSnake Period. (Not Just Confessions either)
Yet he is treated like a B list star while JT is their "King of Pop"

JT sells out arenas and stadiums. So does Gaga. Usher isn't on that level.

Very few black artists become legacy acts who can sell out major venues well past their prime. That list is very small. Janet Jackson, Hov...who else? Beyoncé isn't past her prime, but when she reaches that point I'm sure she'll still be able to do major venues. Same with Rihanna. In terms of dead artists, MJ comes to mind; he'd still be selling out arenas if he was alive. Same with Prince.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

His album before 20/20 went damn near 5x plat, sold 10M worldwide, why wouldn't the label push the fukk out of his next album?

20/20 sold 2.5M in the US, 6M worldwide, had a 2x plat song and a 3x plat song.

To promote the album he went on a small tour with Jay Z that grossed 75M. He then did a solo world tour that grossed 230M.

The 20/20 Experience was the best selling album of 2013. I don't know why you continue to reference that project. The money that was spent on promotion was very much offset by the world tour that grossed $231 million. So knowing that, how did he waste money?

The funny thing about the Man of the Woods project is that for an album that didn't sell as much as his older stuff, even that world tour grossed $226 mil. JT is still a major tour draw.

Tina Turner was what many in the industry called an "Arena artist", just like the rolling stones - artists that aren't about to blow up the charts or sell 50 million records, but sell out stadiums

Timberlake is marketed to us as a superstar MUSICAL TALENT. a mega pop superstar often mentioned in the same breath as MJ/Prince/Stevie that can bless us with hit records and put on an amazing live performances too...

I'm not knocking his tour sales, i'm not even knocking his level of fame...what this post is about is how his albums under perform, yet he's still seen as gods gift to pop music

is anybody listening to 20/20 in 2019? what classics came off of there? I never even heard people talk about the album a year AFTER it was released...

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

JT sells out arenas and stadiums. So does Gaga. Usher isn't on that level.

Very few black artists become legacy acts who can sell out major venues well past their prime. That list is very small. Janet Jackson, Hov...who else? Beyoncé isn't past her prime, but when she reaches that point I'm sure she'll still be able to do major venues. Same with Rihanna. In terms of dead artists, MJ comes to mind; he'd still be selling out arenas if he was alive. Same with Prince.

View media item 14890The last big tour usher did he was selling out arenas.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Lady Gaga and Justin Timberlake are legacy acts.

They aren't 24 year olds with one hot album, they are 30 plus and pretty much defined Pop culture for a decade (in Timberlake's case, 2 decades)

You really expect people to care about that one flop they had in a decade plus career.

Do we care about Jay Z 3 flops in a row until he made 4:44?

How many flops Snoop Dogg has had? Snoop Dogg hasn't made worthwhile music in a decade are so?

Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga and Jay Z and Snoop are pop culture institutions, they aren't going anywhere no matter how much they suck.

CoolAid bumped

 

[Dynamite James]

JT sells out arenas and stadiums. So does Gaga. Usher isn't on that level.

Very few black artists become legacy acts who can sell out major venues well past their prime. That list is very small. Janet Jackson, Hov...who else? Beyoncé isn't past her prime, but when she reaches that point I'm sure she'll still be able to do major venues. Same with Rihanna. In terms of dead artists, MJ comes to mind; he'd still be selling out arenas if he was alive. Same with Prince.

Usher has the Most # 1 Hits out of every Pop/R&B artist of the 2000's.
My Way, 8701, Confessions all had multiple hits.
nine Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles (all as a lead artist) and 18 Hot 100 top-ten singles.
If that ain't a legacy artist then I don't know what is
People are fickle

 

[tremonthustler1]

Tina Turner was what many in the industry called an "Arena artist", just like the rolling stones - artists that aren't about to blow up the charts or sell 50 million records, but sell out stadiums

Timberlake is marketed to us as a superstar MUSICAL TALENT. a mega pop superstar often mentioned in the same breath as MJ/Prince/Stevie that can bless us with hit records and put on an amazing live performances too...

I'm not knocking his tour sales, i'm not even knocking his level of fame...what this post is about is how his albums under perform, yet he's still seen as gods gift to pop music

You're still saying 20/20 underperformed when it didn't. What you're asking is basically why do people still go see him perform? The man has hits. Whether you like them or not is irrelevant. There's still a huge market for the music he's put out. That's why his tours do well. Kid's got a catalog of music people enjoy. When you have that, you can tour off that for years and years. If his tours were doing crap numbers, that's a red flag, but if he can still sell out arenas,

is anybody listening to 20/20 in 2019? what classics came off of there?

Suit and Tie, Not A Bad Thing and Mirrors were HUGE off that album

 

[#1 pick]

Cac + White society + =

 

[Maximus]

FRFR?

Just solo work would make sense as Usher as always been solo.

But Timberlake gets NSync records credited as well and No Strings Attached was a fukkin monster of an album. The album alone might have outsold most of Ushers catalog combined.

"Confessions" outsold "No Strings Attached." Usher at his peak was bigger than JT ever was, group or solo.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

You're still saying 20/20 underperformed when it didn't. What you're asking is basically why do people still go see him perform? The man has hits. Whether you like them or not is irrelevant. There's still a huge market for the music he's put out. That's why his tours do well. Kid's got a catalog of music people enjoy. When you have that, you can tour off that for years and years. If his tours were doing crap numbers, that's a red flag, but if he can still sell out arenas,



Suit and Tie, Not A Bad Thing and Mirrors were HUGE off that album

Neither one of us were in those marketing and board meetings at the label, but you’re a whole fool if you think they spent money on a marketing campaign with bud light and target for an album they KNEW would only sell 2 million copies

And I haven’t heard any songs off that album anywhere since around the time it dropped - they marketed that shyt like it was gonna be Off the Wall 2 filled with timeless classics

 

[Booker T Garvey]

"Confessions" outsold "No Strings Attached." Usher at his peak was bigger than JT ever was, group or solo.

This ain’t true fam, but both albums went diamond which is an extremely rare feat

Also NSA was an NSYNC album

 

[Sad Bunny]

And another thing for Gaga, she established a whole new fanbase when she did that album with Tony Bennett and went on tour with him. She pivoted away from pop (and probably flopped in pop because of it) but she is fully an adult contemporary star now.

As for JT...top billing where?

Man of the Woods finished his career. He's never going to get a major rollout like that again. His pop relevance is super gone and if his next album isn't straight up country pop or adult contemporary I'd be amazed. He's prolly gonna try to move into Michael Buble's lane. His movie career hasn't done well either aside from Trolls.

All they both have to do is make some super pop shyt and they're back on top.

Justin Timberlake Wraps Man Of the Woods Tour With Global Gross Of $226.3 Million - Billboard

Billboard › columns › chart-beat

 

[Sad Bunny]

JT sells out arenas and stadiums. So does Gaga. Usher isn't on that level.

Very few black artists become legacy acts who can sell out major venues well past their prime. That list is very small. Janet Jackson, Hov...who else? Beyoncé isn't past her prime, but when she reaches that point I'm sure she'll still be able to do major venues. Same with Rihanna. In terms of dead artists, MJ comes to mind; he'd still be selling out arenas if he was alive. Same with Prince.

Hov sells out but always tours with someone else like beyonce or JT

 

[tremonthustler1]

Neither one of us were in those marketing and board meetings at the label, but you’re a whole fool if you think they spent money on a marketing campaign with bud light and target for an album they KNEW would only sell 2 million copies

To the bolded: so why are you assuming they spent this ungodly amount of money solely on promotion for an album and that they didn't make it back? The label made their money back tenfold on the tour. The label was more than happy to have the top selling album of the year. Among RCA, AEG Live and Live Nation, everybody ate good.

How a Live Nation Deal Cornered Justin Timberlake

Basically he put out an album he had no real intention of making to fulfill a contract he made with Live Nation (which is exactly what Jay-Z is dealing with), and whatever money he spent, he made back and then some on the tour with Hov (in other words, he was in the clear before he went on his own solo tour and that made $230 mil)

And I haven’t heard any songs off that album anywhere since around the time it dropped - they marketed that shyt like it was gonna be Off the Wall 2 filled with timeless classics

That's fine, but you don't matter in this. I think Taylor Swift songs are by and large awful, but I'm gonna be outnumbered by all the fans who buy her records and see her tour.