Why is pop/catchy music frowned upon in hip-hop/R&B?

[IllmaticDelta]

You are subjectifying and generalizing the term.

When using pop its in reference to.

Yes Rap music charts in other categories.

Is Rap specifically pop, no.

Pop isn't a real genre...what ever is popular in the main genres is what goes to the pop charts (top 40)

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Who are your favourite non-rap artists? I want to check them out. You seem to have really good taste.

I'm all over the place with music

Off the top of my head

-Blood Orange
-ThunderCat
-Tame Impala
-Massive Attack
-4hero
-Wax poetic
-Quantic

Mostly, it's alot of instrumental DJ stuff and then it's my brown liquor old school R&B and Soul

 

[Detroit_blue]

And most of the example records in here are hated in hip hop. The 80s was the fun years n They've been damn near forgotten. Hip hop we know n love began in the 90s. Gangsta shyt

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Motown was Soulful R&B but "poppy" and "catchy" at the same time

They had alot of elements that I liked, like live instruments and "sangers"

 

[Detroit_blue]

Motown wasnt pop..

 

[CashmereThoughts]

things usually classified as "pop" are corny

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Motown wasnt pop..

motown was the epitome of pop

 

[10bandz]

Sales dont make pop. Conforming does. Jadas why crossed over he never went pop. Hip hop is not pop, its rebellion. Same as rocc was when it was pure. Why is it hard to believe its nikkas riding to grimey shyt? I grew up gang bamgin n hustlin I dont relate to simps cryin over hoes. Im much more westside gunn n conway than florida, why is that frowned upon. I pull up on hoes wit roc marciano playin while i smoke an l. We different

Exactly. nikkas was doing songs with Mariah Carey at that time and still keeping it real. Fat Joe got that "All The Way Up" shyt popping right now. Does it feel forced? Does it feel corny? Nah, its just Fat Joe with a popular record. He aint auto tune signing or doing no gay shyt. It's just natural.

and i love the way nikkas always use hoes to excuse their lame music tastes. Like what the fukk do hoes got to do when I'm dolo? Like you said, I bump grimy shyt in the whip, pull up on hoes rocking Roc Maricano or some DJ Quik or full Hov albums. Now if I got a bytch in the whip and we riding obviously I'm gonna be playing something different, or just let her choose whatever to play. But nikkas act like there is no time and place to listen to that hard shyt that you really like. I could never be in the crib or in the whip dolo or with homies and bumping some simp shyt. nikkas act like females are known for their spectacular taste anyway.....a lot of this music right now is just THOT music and nikkas act like they have to fall in lane or else they'll look like they dont get p*ssy

 

[Kitsune]

And catchy accessible music isn't necessarily bad if it carries good songwriting, but if your song is mostly a hook with a couple 30 second verses then it's best you go fukk yourself

 

[daboywonder2002]

I'm not sure what type of answer you are looking for...

I like both types of music.

The thread is about why songs like " Drunk in Love " are hated on here while songs like "Momma" is praised to the high heavens

If Drunk in love is hated on, it's because it's Beyonce singing it. Trust me, if someone else sung that song meaning a true r and b artist, it wouldn't be hated on. People like the underdog, the unsigned or underground artist. Remember when Wiz first came out, he had his day 1 fanbase and his music was on point. He got signed and imo, just hasn't been the same.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

My favourite artists are Cole, Logic, Drake, Kendrick, Sean, and Kanye. I wouldn't consider any of them bad. However, that's not what this thread is about.

Eh based on how you spelled favorite you're from Europe so

Also those artists range from 100% pop to at least 40% pop

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Pop isn't a real genre...what ever is popular in the main genres is what goes to the pop charts (top 40)

Gotcha.

 

[CrimsonTider]

If Drunk in love is hated on, it's because it's Beyonce singing it. Trust me, if someone else sung that song meaning a true r and b artist, it wouldn't be hated on. People like the underdog, the unsigned or underground artist. Remember when Wiz first came out, he had his day 1 fanbase and his music was on point. He got signed and imo, just hasn't been the same.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

She was popular because she was a safe negro that's why she was selling more than Foxy Brown, Trina and Lil Kim even though their music was garbage too you and made tbh , I agree with some of your points but I never will understand why you find any of Missy Elliot or Ludacris music good at all"Look at me I'm a weirdo doing weird music videos with big heads n shyt" like breh she wasn't creative Busta did all that creative music video shyt before her and his music was actually good

I'm not a big Missy Elliot fan but you need to do the knowledge, son.

I feel like I need to have 90% of regular booth posters on ignore to enjoy this section.

 

[Czerka]

that jcole song is obnoxious because he straight lifted from paula Abdul at the end singing "oh oh oh" he was obviously desperate for a hit at that point so he got clowned. otherwise I thought it was a good and creative flip of the kanye sample. I still remember the SOHH/coli thread where everyone called it a flop