Charles Barkley rants about Analytics and destroys Rocket GM

[ghostwriterx]

Let's be fair. Who wouldn't have done that. It was more OKC being cheap as fukk than anything and now they are paying for it.

Its not just about trading for Harden, its about giving him max money and giving him the keys to the franchise. The coli like most of the sports world was pretty divided over whether or not Harden was a franchise guy.

 

[The War Report]

Chuck is right in a way, and in a way he's not.

It's a balance.

Analyzing statistics does help, at some point the law of averages becomes valid.

But you can't make that your entire approach.

The Rockets have. They take bunch of 3's, score points in the paint, and shoot FTs. They take the fewest mid-range jumpers.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

The Rockets are a player decision from having a starting five of Bev, Harden, Ariza, Bosh & Dwight. And this is with a wasted first round pick (Royce White) and without ever having to tank. How y'all can say Morey is a bad GM is beyond me.He turned Kevin Martin & Jeremy Lamb into Harden

in k mart defesne that nikka lead the NBA in free throws before. Nikka shot is wet :salka:

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Imma have to go with Art Barr on this one. I think analytics help but it doesn't paint the whole picture.

Unlike baseball and some of the other sports a player getting 'hot' out of nowhere really fukks things up and it can happen at anytime.

Barkley is wrong though because you don't get "hot" defensively in the same fashion.

Thank you. I have to keep telling my idiot brother this about the cavs all season. He would go on and on about how the heat players won't fit, but uses the "give them time to learn how to play together" bs over the cavs. Teams don't come together defensively. You can either play defense or you can't.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

fukk this cac, this nikka probably masturbates to analytics

the fukk is you talking about? :oword74:

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Thank you. I have to keep telling my idiot brother this about the cavs all season. He would go on and on about how the heat players won't fit, but uses the "give them time to learn how to play together" bs over the cavs. Teams don't come together defensively. You can either play defense or you can't.

That play together line only applies on the offensive end IMO. You need to learn what spots on the floor guys like to take their shots and where they like to catch passes in motion. Defense is hustle and talking. You don't need to 'learn to play together' to yell out switch or any of that

 

[ghostwriterx]

Breh, the Heat dominant off pure talent. The Heat were far ahead of many teams with depth they had in 4 straight seasons. Also, Bosh stretching the floor was both a good and bad thing that didn't serve the team too well when Miami went against teams with bigger front-court players. The Spurs exploit Miami's weakness in two straight finals. Mavs ate Miami up on the low post and on the boards in 2011 NBA finals. The team with the best talent with subtle coaching always win the championships.

Low post? the Mavs?
Heat out rebounded Dallas in that series.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Coming from yao and tmac and accomplishing literally the same thing , a first round exit? I'd say so

my favorite player

nikka got injuried he fell off.

 

[ghostwriterx]

That play together line only applies on the offensive end IMO. You need to learn what spots on the floor guys like to take their shots and where they like to catch passes in motion. Defense is hustle and talking. You don't need to 'learn to play together' to yell out switch or any of that

Golden State this year?

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Omer Asik getting paid involved some analytics. Most people thought he got paid too much at the time. Kyle Lowry was a nobody with unimpressive stats from a backup pg but he showed positive traits that someone may miss without the use of advanced stats. But yeah come lie to me about most people thought those were good moves.

Also you'd agree Corey Brewer and and Josh Smith are poor (or at least not good) 3 pt shooters right? Yet they're shooting very well since coming to Houston. Analytics will tell you that although they aren't good shooters overall they are good shooters from certain spots. The rockets just try to keep them shooting from those hot spots. So no they haven't improved as shooters they have improved their percentages by being more efficient in their shots.

Analytics!

 

[yseJ]

analytics is useful in each and every sport
in some sports, it less useful than in others, true, but that doesnt mean its not an important tool

my pet peeve is people equaling moneyball to analytical tool/method. its really not. moneyball is about applying the various analytical methods to get players who are undervalued according to these methods and let players who are overvalued go somewhere else. moneyball is about getting an edge on competition that doesnt use analytics. simple as that.

think stock trading in the 90s. imagine that you're the only guy out there with internet with all capabilities of 2010s at your disposal. you're getting a huge edge on competition because you have access to information and analysis they don't.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Golden State this year?

What about them?

Like they weren't good last year?

Mark Jackson isn't a good coach IMO so that's why you see a bigger difference this year. GS seemed to agree

 

[ghostwriterx]

What about them?

Like they weren't good last year?

Mark Jackson isn't a good coach IMO so that's why you see a bigger difference this year. GS seemed to agree

I thought you were saying coaching didn't matter when it came to defense?

 

[ALonelyDad]

the fukk is you talking about? :oword74:

that Tom guy from twitter

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

That play together line only applies on the offensive end IMO. You need to learn what spots on the floor guys like to take their shots and where they like to catch passes in motion. Defense is hustle and talking. You don't need to 'learn to play together' to yell out switch or any of that

Some technique too. Really I think it's just a matter of the guy wanting to try to discredit what the heat were doing. I mean the guy is trying to say they have a roster full of good defenders . They have been bottom 5 all year in pretty much every major defensive category, and in spite of the fact that since 1996 (I'm going out on a limb and guessing the 96-98 bulls defended at a top ten level since I haven't seen the data) only one team won a title while not being a top ten defense. Seems to ignore the fact that Miami largely lost the finals last year due to arguably the worst defensive showing in finals history.