Charles Barkley rants about Analytics and destroys Rocket GM

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

So would y'all rather have a talent evaluator like Jerry West or a stathead like Hollinger?

 

[Regular_P]

Morey went on national TV and credited the suns years ago

The media gives him all the credit though. Nobody talks about the Suns.

 

[Charlie Broadway]

But what was really eye-opening was that Barkley said Morey, who he called an “idiot”, has only made the obvious moves of adding superstar talent.

“He went out and got James Harden and Dwight Howard and (he’s) going to tell me that’s analytics,” said Barkley.

Interesting, because here’s what Barkley had to say about the Harden trade at the time. Two days after Morey pulled off the deal and gave him the then-controversial $80 million contract, Barkley went on ESPN’s Pardon The Interruption (full audio) and said how great of a trade it was…

… for the Thunder.

I love the Oklahoma City trade. I think that trade made them better. I’m a Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb fan. I like that trade a lot for them.

Host Tony Kornheiser then asked Barkley point blank if he felt Harden was a “foundational player the way the Rockets apparently do.”

I do not. I do not see him like that for the simple fact (that) being an instant offense off the bench, when they’re going to give you the ball every time and you’re the dominant scorer, it won’t work like that when you’re in a traditional offense.

Ouch. Harden, currently riding back-to-back games of 40+ points, is now considered by many to be the NBA’s MVP leader this season. This is revisionist history at its finest. Barkley would have you believe this was an obvious move, yet he himself did not see this coming out of Harden.

On the other hand, Morey — as well as many others who believe in so-called “analytics” — did.

“We feel like James Harden is a player we can build around. He’s an elite offensive player, a complete player. I still think he’s an underrated player,” said Morey the day after the trade. “He’s absolutely someone that, when they see him step into the role of a star with the Houston Rockets, people are going to realize just how good he is.”

Added Morey: “To win the title, you have to have a foundational player, and James is that.”

Barkley ain't the only one revising history about all of this

http://rockets.clutchfans.net/8155/charles-barkley-idiot

 

[Charlie Broadway]

The media gives him all the credit though. Nobody talks about the Suns.

I agree with this. I think it was Walt who nailed it last summer. Morey knows how to play the media game and has a lot of them eating out of the palm of his hand.

 

[Schmoove]

The dumbest shyt I've heard on Inside The NBA.

Chuck has been trying extra hard to be a dumb azz lately.

 

[Rev]

advanced stats are one piece of a big pie. you gotta use it nowadays because it is available, but it's not the only thing.

maybe it's best used to get complementary players.

 

[TheyCallMeAzul]

The Rockets are a player decision from having a starting five of Bev, Harden, Ariza, Bosh & Dwight. And this is with a wasted first round pick (Royce White) and without ever having to tank. How y'all can say Morey is a bad GM is beyond me.He turned Kevin Martin & Jeremy Lamb into Harden

 

[TheyCallMeAzul]

advanced stats are one piece of a big pie. you gotta use it nowadays because it is available, but it's not the only thing.

maybe it's best used to get complementary players.

Yup. It is definitely best for finding complementary pieces

 

[hayesc0]

So would y'all rather have a talent evaluator like Jerry West or a stathead like Hollinger?

I don't think this is a fair point no one is saying that analytics is the only way to evaluate talent we are just arguing that it is legit we know jerry west is a legend when it comes to evaluating talent.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I don't think this is a fair point no one is saying that analytics is the only way to evaluate talent we are just arguing that it is legit we know jerry west is a legend when it comes to evaluating talent.

The other big thing is teams simply trade stars to los Angeles for good to shifty players. The pick used on magic wasn't theirs, and neither was the pick used on James Worthy. They didn't give up much to get Kareem. That's on the bucks being dumb. Anyone in their right mind would have offered the contract that wanted. The hornets only wanting vlade for isn't him being great. He always managed to add valuable role players and I can't recall him making any big mistakes for that matter though.

 

[USSInsiders]

Funniest part was Chuck saying "They never got the girls in highschool"
Then I go and look at Chucks wife

Chuck is bisexual man and he's sure as hell not just fukking his wife

 

[jadillac]

Chuck is right in a way, and in a way he's not.

It's a balance.

Analyzing statistics does help, at some point the law of averages becomes valid.

But you can't make that your entire approach.

 

[thenatural]

The Rockets are a player decision from having a starting five of Bev, Harden, Ariza, Bosh & Dwight. And this is with a wasted first round pick (Royce White) and without ever having to tank. How y'all can say Morey is a bad GM is beyond me.He turned Kevin Martin & Jeremy Lamb into Harden

I thought Ariza was the back-up plan because Bosh didn't re-sign. I'm maybe wrong but I think they had a shot of Bev, Harden, Parsons, Bosh, and Howard because of Parson's Bird Rights belonging to Houston.

 

[Rosecrans]

Barkley needs to be sent to the bushes

:crackheadfoh:

 

[TheyCallMeAzul]

I thought Ariza was the back-up plan because Bosh didn't re-sign. I'm maybe wrong but I think they had a shot of Bev, Harden, Parsons, Bosh, and Howard because of Parson's Bird Rights belonging to Houston.

Actually, you're right