Charles Barkley rants about Analytics and destroys Rocket GM

[Stinky Diver]

I thought Ariza was the back-up plan because Bosh didn't re-sign. I'm maybe wrong but I think they had a shot of Bev, Harden, Parsons, Bosh, and Howard because of Parson's Bird Rights belonging to Houston.

Correct.

 

[Crack Daniels]

This is the problem,its not with analytiucs its with ppl who use them solely and think they are the be all and end all of data now.
You think every NBA team uses analytics alone to make decisions ?? When almost half the leagues coaches and GMs say they dont ?

Analytics has a place and some of the stats are interesting but they just add to the game as opposed to what teams are solely relying on like some analytical heads want you to believe....

I don't think a single soul walking this earth has ever made this claim. Literally everyone who uses them says "analytics" are just additional information you can use alongside the eye test and every other player measurement tool to evaluate a player. Some coaches use it to dictate playing styles, some players use it to get a report on opposing player tendencies, some GMs use it when deciding who to draft/sign/trade. Either way, every team in the league uses them in some fashion and no one is championing it as an end-all be-all method for success

 

[ghostwriterx]

Basically this.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

in this argument about basketball.
analytics don't speak the full story like you could use for baseball like money ball.
basketball is a complextion of the talent in the game sport.
you can't really use analytics wholeheartedly to win in basketball like baseball.
you can not assemble a bunch of middle of the road no talents in bball and use analytics to win in bball.
you could pull it in baseball, but not in bball.


Art Barr

Imma have to go with Art Barr on this one. I think analytics help but it doesn't paint the whole picture.

Unlike baseball and some of the other sports a player getting 'hot' out of nowhere really fukks things up and it can happen at anytime.

Barkley is wrong though because you don't get "hot" defensively in the same fashion.

 

[THE K-MAN]

I agree with this. I think it was Walt who nailed it last summer. Morey knows how to play the media game and has a lot of them eating out of the palm of his hand.

truth.com

 

[ALonelyDad]

Can't believe how many people agree with him. Dumb as fukk

fukk this cac, this nikka probably masturbates to analytics

 

[Miggs]

i was hating morey too, before this year that is where all his findings of talent is really showing. the guy picked out jones and montasjonuas and kept them over the likes of marcus morris/pat patterson/thomas robinson/royce white(lel at that pick ever being made though). he's not perfect, but the guy has found great talent to surround his stars with.

at first i thought the rockets would be dead in the water when bosh denied them, parsons left, and they traded lin/asik without getting any quality players back, but yet they continue to thrive and compete(mostly on the brilliance of harden, which again was a totally coup by him).

they're no contender and they're certainly not perfect, but Morey has done a good job with his analytics and building a roster. i dont think you can base everything on analytics, and im sure morey doesn't, but you can't deny that he's done a good job of transitioning the rockets from a treadmill team to a pseudo-contender without EVER resorting to tanking. i find that shyt impressive since every other team these days is trying to tank to get good, while he stayed in the middle until he got good.

getting rid of dragic, especially for the cheap ass contract that the suns got him for, was a giant fukking mistake though.

Oh and his other mistake was trading another all star PG for Gary Forbes and a pick he wound up trading to OKC...trade dragic and lowry,over pay Lin.

What a talent evaluator

 

[havoc]

Analytics helps you form the team AROUND those players. Analytics is what made Spoelstra realize that Chris Bosh's ability to stretch the floor gave his team a better offensive flow than his midrange to low post attacking style.

It's what shows the effect Diaw has on the Spurs offense that people don't see.

Breh, the Heat dominant off pure talent. The Heat were far ahead of many teams with depth they had in 4 straight seasons. Also, Bosh stretching the floor was both a good and bad thing that didn't serve the team too well when Miami went against teams with bigger front-court players. The Spurs exploit Miami's weakness in two straight finals. Mavs ate Miami up on the low post and on the boards in 2011 NBA finals. The team with the best talent with subtle coaching always win the championships.

 

[Konnan]

The white bytch on Sportscenter sound mad that CB said that Morey didnt get any bytches in high school

 

[Trip]

Breh, the Heat dominant off pure talent. The Heat were far ahead of many teams with depth they had in 4 straight seasons. Also, Bosh stretching the floor was both a good and bad thing that didn't serve the team too well when Miami went against teams with bigger front-court players. The Spurs exploit Miami's weakness in two straight finals. Mavs ate Miami up on the low post and on the boards in 2011 NBA finals. The team with the best talent with subtle coaching always win the championships.

The Heat are not a good example. 3 top 10 players teaming up never happens. Obviously that's going to offset things.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

HOU was on the hook for $18 mil of that $25 mil for just 130 games, 8.5 pts 10 rebs, & 0.9 blocks ( at elite rim protector).....yeea he traded them both but he wasted $16 mil of his cap to do so....and they had to attach a 1st rd pick to get rid of Lin....trade Asik for a future 1st and to clear space to chase Lebron, Melo or Bosh (which he failed to do).. AGAIN, what was gained or better yet, what's his end game?

avi?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

How y'all can say Morey is a bad GM is beyond me.He turned Kevin Martin & Jeremy Lamb into Harden

Let's be fair. Who wouldn't have done that. It was more OKC being cheap as fukk than anything and now they are paying for it.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

@ that smiley

:bobdead:

 

[#SOG_soldier]

but thats the entire point of the advanced analytics is how to properly use a player so that they are actually making a difference.

i feel you bro. that makes sense +rep.


But the thing with advanced stats is that it can be a complementary piece

 

[TheyCallMeAzul]

Let's be fair. Who wouldn't have done that. It was more OKC being cheap as fukk than anything and now they are paying for it.

I agree they were being cheap but you had plenty of people saying they got a great haul for Harden & that he wouldn't be as successful as the guy. As a poster pointed out earlier, Chuck said so himself at the time of the trade