~~~MMSex's Comprehensive Guide to Cutting for Beginners/Overweight/Obese~~~

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ill say this trouble

aim for 1-2lbs a week, if your strength improves or stays constant and the weight loss is steady youre likely to be losing pure fat, which is the paramount goal

i tell everyone who comes in here to focus on fat loss and not purely what the scale says, best bet? take biweekly-monthly pics(for your own personal record) and cop some myotape measure and begin measuring various limbs monthly

itll give you much more accurate reads on where your losing and also motivation going forward

i weigh only 2lbs more than i did in May but i look drastically different, weight can lie
 

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track your lifts on a note pad

if i were a betting man considering you havent gotten into lifting until recent months

you lost a fair bit of muscle early on, as we talked about earlier increase your protein by anymeans right now and focus on hitting your 5lbs a workout(assuming youre doing StrongLifts/Starting Strength)

Are you saying weight loss could be offset right now by reasonable muscle gain?


Yeah, I copped the Isopure last week so its only been 6 days but I'm finding paths that are getting me around 125-140. I also found a brand of talapia thats 30 to 140. I should be able to hit 125-140 grams easy every day.
 

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Are you saying weight loss could be offset right now by reasonable muscle gain?


Yeah, I copped the Isopure last week so its only been 6 days but I'm finding paths that are getting me around 125-140. I also found a brand of talapia thats 30 to 140. I should be able to hit 125-140 grams easy every day.

you gotta look at yourself and make that judgement

youve seen my pics in may, i weigh roughly the same now as i did then, but the bulk has made a world of difference

weight isnt the issue here..aesthetics are, if need be bulk

my opinion is if you can see your hip bones...strongly consider a 2-3 month bulk(clean aka 300 cal surplus)
 

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Thanks for the info, mms. I'll definitely have to get some measuring tape to track my progress. I just started cutting last monday and i'm already disappointed with the scale. Lol. I've cut weight in the past, but my lifts suffured tremendously. I want to make sure i do it the right way this time, so i just gotta learn to be patient.
 

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Thanks for the info, mms. I'll definitely have to get some measuring tape to track my progress. I just started cutting last monday and i'm already disappointed with the scale. Lol. I've cut weight in the past, but my lifts suffured tremendously. I want to make sure i do it the right way this time, so i just gotta learn to be patient.

the key is a small deficit(500 cal) and tons of protein and dedication to lifting

i promise you if i did it all over again i would have lifted hard from the start, would probably look 10x better

the 20/1 number is a MAXIMUM not an ideal. if you can always shoot for less

the smaller your deficit the more likely itll be fat, i only say 800 because the original guide was for the "very" overweight. it might be slower but its worthwhile in the long run
 

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you gotta look at yourself and make that judgement

youve seen my pics in may, i weigh roughly the same now as i did then, but the bulk has made a world of difference

weight isnt the issue here..aesthetics are, if need be bulk

my opinion is if you can see your hip bones...strongly consider a 2-3 month bulk(clean aka 300 cal surplus)

I'm to far off I can't see hip bones, just flab. I need to give the increased protein a month and reevaluate. Its all good as long as the scale doesn't go drastically up consistently.
 

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the key is a small deficit(500 cal) and tons of protein and dedication to lifting

i promise you if i did it all over again i would have lifted hard from the start, would probably look 10x better

the 20/1 number is a MAXIMUM not an ideal. if you can always shoot for less

the smaller your deficit the more likely itll be fat, i only say 800 because the original guide was for the "very" overweight. it might be slower but its worthwhile in the long run

I understand that. I'd say i'm starting off pretty well. Lots of protein in my diet and I lift 4 days a week. I just gotta make sure I stick with it. This thread and all the people who contribute in here are supportive and very motivating. Hopefully i'll have a success story to share in the next few months.
 

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First off, i just want to say good job on your cut. Keep up the good work. But how long did it take u to get where you're at now from your starting weight at 267? I'm currently 263 and i'm trying to cut to around 230-225. I'm just trying to get an idea for a realistic goal.

Took me a bit over 3 months, 14 weeks or so...

BUT

Keep in mind that I have never weighed anywhere near 265 in my entire life. I've been between 195 and 240 for 15 years, and was at 218 before I reinjured my back and started drinking and eating more than I ever have in my life. Also, it was relatively easy for me to lose the initial weight because I traditionally don't eat empty calories, I used to juice every day, and I'm used to doing different forms of system maintenance like fasting. So going from 265 to the 237-245 range in 3 months was hard work, but easier for me than it would be for most of my friends. I was doing so much eating and drinking that I never did before that it was easy for me to cut it out, an the pounds melted off when I exercised in conjunction with that.

Going from this 237-242 to 225.... now that right there will be much more difficult for me. Also, it might not be right for my body anymore to be that weight. MMS is right, weight lies - when you're lean you're lean, and that's all lifting (and cardio if you work that in effectively). I'd take a lean, strong 230 over my old lean, strong 218.

Patience, a realistic outlook, dedication, and ignoring the scale are very important when you're cutting weight. Trust the math in terms of caloric deficit. Weigh in every 3 weeks, and let yourself be pleasantly surprised by the 2-5 pounds you lose. Don't scale watch every day, it'll fukk you up psychologically, weight fluctuates so wildly on any given day. Last week I was at 250 when I hopped on the gym scale, but I had just ingested 32 ounces of water and had eaten a huge dinner the night before, and forgot to take my sneakers off; by the next day I was at 242. Scale watching will drive you crazy and can make you overwork at the gym, which will hurt you in the long term.

Shoot for a pound a week and know that it might be 4 months before you see significant change. But once you do see that change, it'll be nothing for you to find the dedication to take your routine to the next level, because you'll believe in it, and it'll make you feel so much better physically and mentally.

MMS is on point: trust the caloric formula, stay dedicated and patient, accept that healthy weight is preferable to losing weight. Keep checking in here, it's nice to feel like you know other people who are putting serious, consistent effort in, keeps you on your grind.

Keep track of the shyt you eat so you get a subconscious feel for how many calories and protein and fat are in your meals, eventually it'll become second nature. Always be honest with yourself about when you're slacking, don't waste your own time with excuses. Commit, and you'll reap the benefits.

I bet you can lose anywhere between 14 and 25 pounds in 4 months, while eating enough to satisfy yourself and not feel like you're wasting away. You've got to know the difference between cravings and needs, between hunger and addiction, and between emotional and physical needs when it comes to food. Do detailed reading about food - you want to know why you're eating the way you are, and what exactly it means. The more you know, the more you'll trust what you're doing.

Good luck, my man. Dare to be better.

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Patience, a realistic outlook, dedication, and ignoring the scale are very important when you're cutting weight. Trust the math in terms of caloric deficit. Weigh in every 3 weeks, and let yourself be pleasantly surprised by the 2-5 pounds you lose. Don't scale watch every day, it'll fukk you up psychologically, weight fluctuates so wildly on any given day. Last week I was at 250 when I hopped on the gym scale, but I had just ingested 32 ounces of water and had eaten a huge dinner the night before, and forgot to take my sneakers off; by the next day I was at 242. Scale watching will drive you crazy and can make you overwork at the gym, which will hurt you in the long term.

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Great post, Walt. :lawd:

yeah, it probably will be a bit more of a challenge for me considering that I usually hover around 250-255. The last time i was <225 was probably 11-12 years ago (although I was 227 in 2007, but that didn't last long). My main problems isn't really overeating, it's making bad choices with food. My older brother, who is about 6 foot 195lbs, eats waaaaay more than I do. I just have a crazy sweet tooth. I'm the type that will eat ice cream and cookies for dinner :laugh:

But you and MMS have very sound advice that i'm definitely gonna follow throughout my cut. I just gotta be patient, stop scale watching, make better food choices, and i'm sure i'll reach my goal.
 

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lambo i recalculated my shyt and going by the calculator in the original post its saying i should eat 1620 as my new range instead of 1700? and this is with the 20 resting, 3 very light, and 1 moderate.

here are my numbers.

sex:male

age:22

weight:155

inches:66

bmr:1725

activity:395

total:2120

i only ask because i been eating at 1700 and still losing weight, so i didnt know if i should run with these new numbers or what?
 

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activity is becoming a factor

at this point 1700 is just fine(in fact 1800-1900 would suffice), anything less than that is unnecessary

getting 140+g protein and increasing lifts is the top priority at this point
 

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What's ur diet right now mms

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What's ur diet right now mms

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2400-2600 cal 200g protein

2 shakes 1300 cal 130g protein

fill in the rest how i please :ohlawd:
 
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