What? Did I lie?
Also forgot, he got sonned into Bolivia by Battle Truth of all people
Pipe-A-Boy
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Also forgot, he got sonned into Bolivia by Battle Truth of all people
Pipe-A-Boy
Ardamus
Unpopular Opinions About Battle Rap
I'm not disagreeing with it; and I said that just in case you thought I was trying to start something, lol. And you don't have to respond. Its cool.
What I am basically saying is if the battle rappers get it started, they'll have to get people who know things about labor policies and how unions work to really do the intriciate shyt IF (putting this in bold) they are this serious about it. You're looking at accounting for dues to be in the union, legal representation for the union, and etc. I only stress because I have looked into dealing with a union for my field of work and joining one, there's a lot of what you can do and can't do when you are part of one.
Ardamus
Unpopular Opinions About Battle Rap
I know a lot of people in different film unions who are basically children, that doesnt matter at all breh, one of my boys is 36 and JUST opened his first bank account so he could get direct deposits finally
What matters is if the heads of the union have enough legal/business sense to stay on a leagues neck if they dont follow the rules
As wild west as the film industry seems it always trips me out when my OldHead (president of one of the unions in the region) is tellin me how they have these billion dollar company heads sweating during negotiations
It can work in battle rap, the thing with me is battle rap doesnt make enough money for the leagues to really give a fukk, and in general music as a whole hasnt figured out the union thing for artists yet
Weirdly enough i wanna hear what Avo gotta say about this since he's prolly in the camera union out in Cali, i know he dont be lettin URL jerk him or his crew outta they money
Yep. Businesses can't play around with unions when they know the legal rights of the employees and how the business should function.
T-K-G
Veteran
Im just sayin he nor his people working for him are walking away from an event with 0 dollars after all these years
i aint buyin it
Black Bolt
Superstar
You're boring, it's been boring from the jump but you flogged this horse dead while ago
Black Bolt
Superstar
Zilch, nada, fukk all. Battle rappers aren't business minded at all (save for Hollow, Lux et al). The very idea of them coming together for a common cause is laughable, especially when there'll be financial forefeit involved .
ReasonableMatic
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These battle rappers are more like 1099 contract workers than unionized full time employees.
Contract workers pay for their own insurance and benefits and are not required to accept any job they don't want and can negotiate pay before the contract is agreed.
If you tell Smack I'm not battlin for less than 2500 and he says fine
I only got 1500 for you Cortez. And you cave and take it Cortez, that's not Smacks fault. Smack don't owe you for years of service, he pays you an agreed amount each time you battle and you agree to it.
Smacks whole business is off supply and demand. Smack could never call Cortez again in his life and it wouldn't hurt the URL brand, do these battlers think they are gonna stop smack by striking?
So every battler wants 5-10k on a card now lol SMH.
The way battle raps been going most these rappers deserve a pay CUT.
Smack prolly should make PPV numbers public though, however I see why he wouldn't. Someone like Cortez gonna see smack made 500k and ask him why he can't get 10k a battle, "i know you got it Smack"
Im gonna be 100% honest with you, this 'strike' feels like a hissy fit in response to Smack being upset over Summer Madness. On some "oh you're gonna blame us we'll show you Smack" completely deflecting the fact that the battlers themselves are culpable.
Contract workers pay for their own insurance and benefits and are not required to accept any job they don't want and can negotiate pay before the contract is agreed.
If you tell Smack I'm not battlin for less than 2500 and he says fine
I only got 1500 for you Cortez. And you cave and take it Cortez, that's not Smacks fault. Smack don't owe you for years of service, he pays you an agreed amount each time you battle and you agree to it.Smacks whole business is off supply and demand. Smack could never call Cortez again in his life and it wouldn't hurt the URL brand, do these battlers think they are gonna stop smack by striking?
So every battler wants 5-10k on a card now lol SMH.
The way battle raps been going most these rappers deserve a pay CUT.
Smack prolly should make PPV numbers public though, however I see why he wouldn't. Someone like Cortez gonna see smack made 500k and ask him why he can't get 10k a battle, "i know you got it Smack"
Im gonna be 100% honest with you, this 'strike' feels like a hissy fit in response to Smack being upset over Summer Madness. On some "oh you're gonna blame us we'll show you Smack" completely deflecting the fact that the battlers themselves are culpable.
dennis roadman
nuclear war in my bag
or, more likely, they get a check or cash and dont report it when/if they pay taxes, meaning they don't submit 1099s. which is real convenient for everyone on a day-to-day, especially the company, until you're the owner and have to scramble to classify these guys as contractors when they're not that, either, and the other side is saying we arent contractors, and we've formed a union, pay us or else.
the rest of your post pretty much explains the point of a union. cortez wont have to be forced to cave for 1500 if tay roc says he won't battle until cortez gets 5k minimum. and this isn't even a novelty in battle rap, when cave gang expanded to actual battlers, roc was just saying you gotta book brizz and ave if you wanna book me, it's the same shyt
all i know is if this keeps up somebody better have a fire scheme involving Hoffa and Detroit and disappeared bodies buried in jersey
I’m listening to Hitman’s interview.
I agree the battlers got to insist that their battles drop in a timely manner. You spend all your time writing this material, and it isn’t coming out.
He definitely has a lot of assumptions without knowing what is being made, but there are some controllable things such as insisting when a battle drops.
I agree the battlers got to insist that their battles drop in a timely manner. You spend all your time writing this material, and it isn’t coming out.
He definitely has a lot of assumptions without knowing what is being made, but there are some controllable things such as insisting when a battle drops.
Phillyrider807
My Soundtrack is the second “Carter”
The only thing holding back Bill Collector from being up there on the best battlers of the year list is that he's not doing enough three rounders
He's been cooking but idk if you nikkas paying attention
O i def been paying attention. Both Bill and Dre Dennis has been on a quiet winning streak for the past year and some change.
Ardamus
Unpopular Opinions About Battle Rap
These battle rappers are more like 1099 contract workers than unionized full time employees.
Contract workers pay for their own insurance and benefits and are not required to accept any job they don't want and can negotiate pay before the contract is agreed.
If you tell Smack I'm not battlin for less than 2500 and he says fine
Smacks whole business is off supply and demand. Smack could never call Cortez again in his life and it wouldn't hurt the URL brand, do these battlers think they are gonna stop smack by striking?
So every battler wants 5-10k on a card now lol SMH.
The way battle raps been going most these rappers deserve a pay CUT.
Smack prolly should make PPV numbers public though, however I see why he wouldn't. Someone like Cortez gonna see smack made 500k and ask him why he can't get 10k a battle, "i know you got it Smack"
Im gonna be 100% honest with you, this 'strike' feels like a hissy fit in response to Smack being upset over Summer Madness. On some "oh you're gonna blame us we'll show you Smack" completely deflecting the fact that the battlers themselves are culpable.
I agree with most of this except for the pay cut; only reason I say that is because you still have those who show the fukk up and they shouldn't have to suffer because a few of them fail to bring it. You're right, they are more like 1099 workers and I never thought of it that way. But also, they could be Permalancers. Judging by how you spoke on the subject, I have a feeling you have heard the term and those folks, if I am not mistaken, have representation as far as a union.
Now they can't be mad at SMACK completely because he shouted the folks he felt did good. If they were on the card and didn't do their job well, they will have to review the gametapes and get feedback on what they have done wrong. I don't how it works behind the scenes but if their gonna treat this like business and a job then, structuring shyt around more like this could get rid of some of these problems.
Idk what a permalancer is.
Don't get me wrong I'm for workers rights, and the battlers deserve fair pay and representation, and probably access to the ppv numbers.
I mean if smack is selling 50k ppvs at 50$ a pop multiple times a year he is clearing millions. But he's also fronting the money, paying the streaming service, avo, the battlers, the venue, and splitting that money up between staff. But it'd still be a lot of money, so I get why cats want to see it.
But I mean we know what UFC will clear on a PPV, but the guys not drawing the numbers don't magically get larger pay checks. I guess what I'm saying is Smack is the business owner, of course he's making a larger portion of the money. I get it though. It's like athletes. Say the NFL, the owners are billionaires, the players are millionaires, crumbs in comparison. If the players all just stopped today it'd stop the revenue stream for the billionaires, so I get the mentality of 'hey why is he rich off my talent?'
But it mainly comes down to capital. It's true without the rappers Smack wouldn't be rich. I just think some of the rappers think they contributed more to the draw than they did. Like Cortez and Swave Sevah? both of which I really like actually, but come on. If you two disappear from battle rap nothing would change at all, so you two striking is funny to me. It's like only bench players striking in the NBA.
What top tiers are on strike? Or have the top tiers been smarter about their business? I actually don't know for all I know the top tiers are on strike.
As you can see I'm a little on the fence cause I see both sides. If I'm Smack I'm lookin at Cortez like you? you're lucky I'm giving you 2500 an it's cause we're family I'm even doing that. Cortez probably generates 300$ for Smack every battle from his homies buying tickets. Just cause smack put you on a ppv that made 2.5 mil doesn't mean you deserve thousands of more dollars. Smack knows who on the card was the selling points and to what degree. And that's usually how the pay is doled out.
Don't be mad Hitman got 25k and you 2500. Hitman generated that 25k you didn't generate shyt.
Ardamus
Unpopular Opinions About Battle Rap
Alot of what you're saying is making sense. However, I do have to say in the case of Swave and Cortez, I can understand from their viewpoint of them going on strike. Cortez shows up, win or lose; he seems to have the most battles vaulted and no one is saying he choked or lost in those battles either. He is one of the more professional guys in this shyt. Swave...I mean, to keep it real, SMACK URL treats him better now but for real, they weren't fukking with Swave, win or lose. And I am a firm believer of leagues looking after their OGs as long as their relationship is good which is why I don't fault Head ICE for having grind at KOTD (thats another topic). But as far as the top top guys go, I get what you are saying.
Yeah, permalancer, I'm not sure if this came up at this time, but I heard the term when alot of the freelancers that worked for MTV went on strike. And apparently they have a union for them based off their situation. This happened a few years ago if I am not mistaken.
And as much as I want to compare battle rap to other sports, I think its time that battle rap sets itself more up in that sense. The should stand on its own. I've always hated the sports metaphors (*Surf voice* its like basketball) because there is not enough structure within like other sports now. If it was more organized to iron out these problems, I wouldn't say as much. You have the leagues, the comission, the unions, and etc. that may could dead all this shyt with pay, bad performances, no shows, and etc. in the bud once and for all. So I applaud the battle rappers for doing this but they need to put people in place who more than likely don't battle that can get things accomplished for them.
Surf, Conceited, Lux, and Hollow have the best business sense in battle rap what Hitman was saying about Url’s ppv#’s don’t even sound believable but im outside it all idk they could very may well be a mil or more off ppv in that case nikkas need to gets cut of that like how boxers do