Because it has never been forbidden.
Twista admits to using a Ghostwriter
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Because it has never been forbidden.
A hook or even telling a rapper he should say a few lines with a different flow is one thing I know everyone gets help
But straight up getting full verses written for you is fukkboy shyt.
That's because in other genres it usually requires actual talent other than writing to be an artist, In other genres you may not write your songs but you still need the vocal talent to perform the song or play the instruments that make the beat.
In rap where most artists don't produce their own beats, or need vocal talent to perform it, you'd at least expect them to write their own shyt.If you ain't doing that then what is there to respect about you.
Vocal talent is HUGE in hip hop. It plus rhythm is called "flow". The most defining attribute of a rapper
According to who?
Breh no offense but if you don't know....why post? There have been several threads here outlining the shyt I'm talking about. It's not "alleged". Google is your friend.
DRAM don't ring a bell?
Hell, Diddy hit Drake for stealing "0 to 100". You been in a coma?
You ain't noticed virtually nobody he signs on OVO ever comes out with their own shyt?
You didn't see The Weeknd gave Drake half his album for "Take Care"?
Anyway, if ghostwriting was condemned across the board Eazy-E would've never had a career. So I dunno where you got that from. The problem is claiming to be some kinda talented MC, or saying you're the best of your generation....and come to find out you've had help your entire career. You either gotta disclose you have ghost writers, or go the "I'm just an entertainer" route.
And if Drake had already solidified his career and 20 years later wants to do like Twista and get help on 3-4 songs....
I wouldn't give a fukk. The problem is he needed help from day 1....so why you keep trying to draw some kinda parallel between the two, I dunno. It's not difficult to understand the difference.
Fred.
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Twista has a persona, much like Snoop did or like Drake does now, they have a certain vibe that comes through on records. So much so that its kinda easy to write for them. How many of us have fukked around and sang something like Drake would sing it but in a clowning type of manner. Same way JD wrote that rap on Usher's Nice & Slow that sounded like Twista.
If you're a behind the scenes cat that makes money by participating in writing pools you love an artist like this, especially if they are on a deadline but are having writers block/lack of creativity. You take on their persona and write something as though they would, I can see how Twista says that shyt would be fun, fortunately he waited until after his run to participate in the pools. The Coach Carter song, the So Sexy track with Kelz and a few others I know were written, but those were money grabs. Obviously he had help on Slow Jamz, but that was moreso for all of the R&B references that were made in the song, thats typical during the creative process. Not sure what the other songs are but I know of a couple cats that made a grip in the early 2000's writing "Twista styled" rhyme's for other artists that were relatively successful, I'm sure Twista felt a kinda way about that.
If you're a behind the scenes cat that makes money by participating in writing pools you love an artist like this, especially if they are on a deadline but are having writers block/lack of creativity. You take on their persona and write something as though they would, I can see how Twista says that shyt would be fun, fortunately he waited until after his run to participate in the pools. The Coach Carter song, the So Sexy track with Kelz and a few others I know were written, but those were money grabs. Obviously he had help on Slow Jamz, but that was moreso for all of the R&B references that were made in the song, thats typical during the creative process. Not sure what the other songs are but I know of a couple cats that made a grip in the early 2000's writing "Twista styled" rhyme's for other artists that were relatively successful, I'm sure Twista felt a kinda way about that.
That's fine but who keeps a running checklist of the best,goat,etc other than purist.You're right
I didn't ask you
Nah seriously, I can still enjoy the music, but I can't rate you the same as someone who does write their own rhymes.
I have never thought for second to rank the greatest rappers of all time or any of that.
I can give you who I listen to the most and that would look different every year, 5 years, etc
Vocal talent is HUGE in hip hop. It plus rhythm is called "flow". The most defining attribute of a rapper
Plenty of nikkas out here who can't flow for shyt that's famous.
Breh no offense but if you don't know....why post? There have been several threads here outlining the shyt I'm talking about. It's not "alleged". Google is your friend.
DRAM don't ring a bell?
Hell, Diddy hit Drake for stealing "0 to 100". You been in a coma?
You ain't noticed virtually nobody he signs on OVO ever comes out with their own shyt?
You didn't see The Weeknd gave Drake half his album for "Take Care"?
Anyway, if ghostwriting was condemned across the board Eazy-E would've never had a career. So I dunno where you got that from. The problem is claiming to be some kinda talented MC, or saying you're the best of your generation....and come to find out you've had help your entire career. You either gotta disclose you have ghost writers, or go the "I'm just an entertainer" route.
And if Drake had already solidified his career and 20 years later wants to do like Twista and get help on 3-4 songs....
I wouldn't give a fukk. The problem is he needed help from day 1....so why you keep trying to draw some kinda parallel between the two, I dunno. It's not difficult to understand the difference.
Fred.
With DRAM Drake already admitted there was an influence for Hotline bling. With 0-100, there's a video of Diddy saying he gave him the song. Then on to the Breakfast club, he said that he didn't hit Drake and that he gave that song to Drake to ghostwrite. His story is all over the place.
The Weeknd WILLINGLY gave Drake 4 songs which that were intended for House of Balloons. How is that stealing? And plus the Weeknd said he was grateful for that.
As for the artist on his label, PND has put out 2 projects that have been well received and the same with Majid Jordan who are dropping an album in February.
And for the ghostwriting thing, we can agree to disagree. I thought it was always just one single rule that it was not ok for a rapper to use one no matter what stage they are in their career.
My point is that you can get by without having a flowI don't listen to them, and chances are, I think they're wack as fukk
On the real yall been abusing the word ghostwriter. It aint a ghostwriter if dude in the credits. Most of yall don't buy records or pay attention.
