Winter is Coming

[DarlingNikki]

You complain about the behavior that black men have... 70% of black children are being raised by who? Their single black mothers. These men aren't just coming out the womb saying "black women are bytches." Look at who the fukk is raising them.

I didn't say matriarchy. I said PSEUDO-matriarchy.

But if black men know this why don't they stick around to change it? Instead they talk about "pawgin" an how their woman needs "good hair".

And you can't say it's because of women datin men like "Tyrone", because even celebrity men leave their wives. (I.e. Shaq, Michael Jordan ect..) And IT men who make 6 figures (i.e. the coli community) make these ignorant ass statements.

If the black community came together instead of bashing each other and pointing out issues within the community, there would be less issues. And these are the threads that do numbers.

 

[MurderSheWrote]

You complain about the behavior that black men have... 70% of black children are being raised by who? Their single black mothers. These men aren't just coming out the womb saying "black women are bytches." Look at who the fukk is raising them.

YOU said black men are incapable of oppressing right? Now you're backtracking from that argument and reaching for the "Oh these 'oppressive' men are coming from single parent homes" argument.

PLEASE BE CONSISTENT.

The stat reads likes this: 70% of black children are BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK.

The stat DOES NOT read like this: 70% of black children are being raised by single mothers (which is the bullshyt that you just spouted).

^^^Re-read those two statements and let it sink in. Do you see the difference between the two statements??? You are misquoting a stat that you clearly do not understand.

Furthermore, it's been proven that black men are more likely to remain in their lives of their children despite not being in the home.

The Myth of the Missing Black Father

^^^So please KILL this lie that black women are raising these boys alone. While black fathers may not be in the home they are either 1). In the children's lives or 2). Somewhere nearby and known to the children.

Although these anguished experiences are too common, they remain only one part, though often the more visible part, of the larger fatherhood picture. An increasing number of quantitative and qualitative studies find that of men who become fathers through nonmarital births, black men are least likely (when compared to white and Hispanic fathers) to marry or cohabit with the mother (Mott 1994; Lerman and Sorensen 2000). But they were found to have the highest rates (estimates range from 20 percent to over 50 percent) of visitation or provision of some caretaking or in-kind support (more than formal child support). For instance, Carlson and McLanahan’s (2002) figures indicated that only 37 percent of black nonmarital fathers were cohabiting with the child (compared to 66 percent of white fathers and 59 percent of Hispanic), but of those who weren’t cohabiting, 44 percent of unmarried black fathers were visiting the child, compared to only 17 percent of white and 26 percent of Hispanic fathers. These studies also suggested that black nonresident fathers tend to maintain their level of involvement over time longer than do white and Hispanic nonresident fathers (Danziger and Radin 1990; Taylor et al. 1990; Seltzer 1991; Stier and Tienda 1993; Wattenberg 1993; Coley and Chase-Lansdale 1999).

I didn't say matriarchy. I said PSEUDO-matriarchy.

Different word...same lie! Next...

And can we stop acting like the black men who call black women bytches aren't the ones who get the most black p*ssy? Lil Wayne calls you black women bytches all day and every concert BLACK WOMEN are in the front row reciting all his misogynistic lyrics with him. A song calling black women bytches and hoes comes on in the club and black women are the first ones on the dance floor saying "girl das my song!!!!"

Can't we stop pretending that the "black p*ssy" that black men who call black women bytches and hoes get is top notch "black p*ssy"?

These men are attracting their female counterparts in most cases (i.e., Hoodrats, thugettes etc).

However, their use of the word "bytch" and "hoes" is usually in reference to women in general. Thus, that's why I classify it as a form of oppression.

Despite what you delusional men on this site might think black women come in all shapes, sizes and mentalities. To group all black women as monolithic but turn around and demand that we not group you in with the Lil Waynes, Pookies and Ray Rays is ridiculous.

Black men have NOTHING to do with the beauty standard. WHITE MEN CONTROL THE BEAUTY STANDARD. NOT BLACK MEN.

Bullshyt. IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, black men DO have the ability create and subscribe to a standard of beauty.

How is it black men oppressing you when it's the same white men that YOU worship who set the beauty standards and say that YOU are on the bottom of the totem pole? That's WHITE men saying you aren't beautiful. Black men aren't in control of those fashion magazines. That's the same white man who you think is your fukking savior. White men oppress you more than black men EVER could.

So now you're trying to say that "beauty standards" are the ONLY form of oppression? No sir, try again.

Once again, IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, black men DO have the ability to create and subscribe to a beauty standard. You can point to the NATIONAL media all you want. It doesn't change the reality that black men created and defined the black aesthetic in the 1970s with the AFRO and phrases like "black is beautiful." The white man didn't have a thing to do it.

You're trying to absolve black men of their flaws, colorism, internalized racism, and self-hate but it's clearly not working.

I mean seriously. You need a better play book. I used that gif on you because all your points have already been debunked, defiled, and decapitated YEARS ago.

No you used that .gif because you're baffled and can't articulate any REAL points or rebuttals.

No one has time for all that back and forth on played out topics.

Then why did you make a point to make a statement on this topic???

 

[Sierra Mist]

But if black men know this why don't they stick around to change it? Instead they talk about "pawgin" an how their woman needs "good hair".

And you can't say it's because of women datin men like "Tyrone", because even celebrity men leave their wives. (I.e. Shaq, Michael Jordan ect..) And IT men who make 6 figures (i.e. the coli community) make these ignorant ass statements.

If the black community came together instead of bashing each other and pointing out issues within the community, there would be less issues. And these are the threads that do numbers.

90% of black men are with black women though. lol The whole "all the good black men are getting taken by white women" myth is just that. A myth. People always put the spotlight on the men who leave their wives but no one ever talks about the men who were down with their black women since high school. Why? Because unless a couple has an element of whiteness to it, mainstream media ignores it.

Personally I don't care what race my woman is. I never got the whole pawg worship thing either. I don't know if those dudes are trolling or what.

 

[DarlingNikki]

90% of black men are with black women though. lol The whole "all the good black men are getting taken by white women" myth is just that. A myth. People always put the spotlight on the men who leave their wives but no one ever talks about the men who were down with their black women since high school. Why? Because unless a couple has an element of whiteness to it, mainstream media ignores it.

Personally I don't care what race my woman is. I never got the whole pawg worship thing either. I don't know if those dudes are trolling or what.

Lol. I never said anything about men who stay with black women, their relationships speak for themselves..

I was just replying to your argument.

BUT, if 90% of black men are with their women why is it that half of that number flees after they knock a bytch up?

 

[Sierra Mist]

YOU said black men are incapable of oppressing right? Now you're backtracking from that argument and reaching for the "Oh these 'oppressive' men are coming from single parent homes" argument.

PLEASE BE CONSISTENT.

The stat reads likes this: 70% of black children are BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK.

The stat DOES NOT read like this: 70% of black children are being raised by single mothers (which is the bullshyt that you just spouted).

^^^Re-read those two statements and let it sink in. Do you see the difference between the two statements??? You are misquoting a stat that you clearly do not understand.

Furthermore, it's been proven that black men are more likely to remain in their lives of their children despite not being in the home.

The Myth of the Missing Black Father

^^^So please KILL this lie that black women are raising these boys alone. While black fathers may not be in the home they are either 1). In the children's lives or 2). Somewhere nearby and known to the children.



Different word...same lie! Next...



Can't we stop pretending that the "black p*ssy" that black men who call black women bytches and hoes get is top notch "black p*ssy"?

These men are attracting their female counterparts in most cases (i.e., Hoodrats, thugettes etc).

However, their use of the word "bytch" and "hoes" is usually in reference to women in general. Thus, that's why I classify it as a form of oppression.

Despite what you delusional men on this site might think black women come in all shapes, sizes and mentalities. To group all black women as monolithic but turn around and demand that we not group you in with the Lil Waynes, Pookies and Ray Rays is ridiculous.



Bullshyt. IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, black men DO have the ability create and subscribe to a standard of beauty.



So now you're trying to say that "beauty standards" are the ONLY form of oppression? No sir, try again.

Once again, IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, black men DO have the ability to create and subscribe to a beauty standard. You can point to the NATIONAL media all you want. It doesn't change the reality that black men created and defined the black aesthetic in the 1970s with the AFRO and phrases like "black is beautiful." The white man didn't have a thing to do it.

You're trying to absolve black men of their flaws, colorism, internalized racism, and self-hate but it's clearly not working.



No you used that .gif because you're baffled and can't articulate any REAL points or rebuttals.



Then why did you make a point to make a statement on this topic???

If saying bytches and hoes is oppressive then calling men nikkas is oppressive. Both like being called what they get called anyway.

You can talk about the whole "my feelings get hurt when x, y, z gets said" thing all you want. Economically and politically black men in America are not oppressing their women. White men oppress black women but black women give white men a pass because they depend on white men for their survival.

Proof: This thread and everything you said. For everything you say black men do to oppress black women I can name 10 things white men do to oppress black women.

 

[Sierra Mist]

Lol. I never said anything about men who stay with black women, their relationships speak for themselves..

I was just replying to your argument.

BUT, if 90% of black men are with their women why is it that half of that number flees after they knock a bytch up?

Simple. Those men don't want to be responsible.

 

[DarlingNikki]

Simple. Those men don't want to be responsible.

So why blame a woman for a irresponsible man?

 

[MurderSheWrote]

If saying bytches and hoes is oppressive then calling men nikkas is oppressive. Both like being called what they get called anyway.

You can talk about the whole "my feelings get hurt when x, y, z gets said" thing all you want. Economically and politically black men in America are not oppressing their women. White men oppress black women but black women give white men a pass because they depend on white men for their survival.

Proof: This thread and everything you said. For everything you say black men do to oppress black women I can name 10 things white men do to oppress black women.

The problem with you argument is you believe oppression is limited to economical and political oppression....it is NOT.

And no, white men don't get a pass. I have no problem admitting that white racism and patriarchy is a problem for black women and people of color in general.

One form of oppression doesn't take away form another as you seem to believe.

You believe we should overlook black men's oppression of black women and focus on white men's oppression of black women. When in reality BOTH are bad!

Oppression is oppression. However, you gender prevents you from viewing oppression beyond RACE/RACISM.

 

[Sierra Mist]

Oppression is oppression. However, you gender prevents you from viewing oppression beyond RACE/RACISM.

Maybe it's because I'm out of the black community and rarely hang around blacks but do most black men really call black women bytches and hoes like that?

You said only the low class black women like being called bytches and hoes... My rebuttal to that? Only low class black men call black women bytches and hoes.

So why blame a woman for a irresponsible man?

Trust me I'm not doing that.

 

[MurderSheWrote]

Maybe it's because I'm out of the black community and rarely hang around blacks but do most black men really call black women bytches and hoes like that?

Yes.

You said only the low class black women like being called bytches and hoes... My rebuttal to that? Only low class black men call black women bytches and hoes.

If you say so.

 

[Sierra Mist]

Well then I clearly know nothing about black people.

*bows out*

Get it together yall. I'll be rooting in the stands.

 

[Anothergirl]

black men are anti-white male and pro-white female. And they tend to think black women should share their anti-white male attitude.

truth.net. and its not even ALL black men....but a good portion of the dudes on this board fit this description to a TEE. to answer the question its jealousy and insecurity plain and simple. 5 star thread btw

 

[BasketCase]

In general, black men hate white men. I think that's pretty damn evident.

You're an idiot.

(I mean let's be real...too many black men base their sense of sense worth on their d!cks. If black women begin to reject that...what's left?)?

You're an idiot.

 

[MurderSheWrote]

You're an idiot.



You're an idiot.

The truth hurts. The hit dogs are the individuals I see hollering. Be a man and pick your hurt feelings up...and move on....

 

[DaRealness]

*yawn*

Just a bunch of fukking blah blah blah saying absolutely nothing......

Do what you wanna do and STFU. This may devastate you, but there actually many black men - including myself - who wouldn't even blink or care in the slightest if you walked down the street with a non black male. Nice try though.