You should probably be asking the men here this...since SOME seem to believe white supremacy equals white MALE supremacy.
This is what I know: Black men are fighting for their place IN patriarchy. Black women are fighting AGAINST patriarchy as it relates to the oppression of themselves (as any oppressed group would). We are NOT in this together. We haven't been in "this" together in a very long time.
Racial solidarity took a backseat when issues involving SEXISM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY became overbearing for black women.
Now we have a new age of black women, who quite honestly, aren't going to put black men's issues (read: racial issues) before our own issues.
Bottom line: Deaf ears from black men concerning sexism WITHIN the black community will get you deaf ears from black women concerning your issues with white men.
Interesting theory, but I don't think I buy it.
Or maybe we see what's being done TO us BY us.
Thanks for the discussion.

I agree that Black Men must start treating our women better or we will lose you all. The dikk isn't enough when materialism is praised the way it is in this country. The oppression of women is not something I like, which is why you rarely see me in any of those bashing black women threads. I guess I'm seeing with my eyes wide open now & its senseless for us to degrade our women like that. We don't see that we are degrading ourselves. I'm not saying ignorance should be overlooked male/female wise. But bottom line is...We are birthed from you so...its a pretty stupid thing really.

You may not believe the theory, but its very REAL. Just look at where the trends of the black community are headed...its in place & its always been a plan. Things of this magnitude just do not happen by pure circumstance. We are definitely on that road to destruction. Self hate is a taught thing in the U.S. and we are learning the subject very well.
In terms of your last statement. I've come to the realization that I'm done trying to get acceptance from whites. Or make white people treat us 'right'.
Because its on us to get where we need to be, not them. This is the problem with the current 'fight' if you can even call it that by our supposed leaders. i.e. Al Sharpton, Jesse types. Their entire aim is to get acceptance instead of independence, I'm speaking economic wise. The rest would follow if we gained economic power. This would help the male/female relationship drastically.
The problem of us not being 'together' is that we don't even see what's being done to us because we aren't vibing like that anymore. White Supremacy does not stop with the White male, as I said earlier these white women support those dudes which is why they are the dominant force they are. You must understand that the black male (seeing only the white man) is just as lost as the black female in terms of seeing how we are attacked...this is not an excuse but it is a reality.
The most we ever got accomplished in this country was when we were together 50's, '60's - '70's...im speaking in terms of a real connection mind wise.
you totally contradicted yourself in that statement.
Has white women benefited from the spoils of the Whiteman? This is why its important for us to be together in terms of progression of our people.
Thug boys in gold who talk ignorant are plastered on the screen for girls to fawn over & young men to imitate. They are propped up as the model of young black men. Black women who conform to the white form of Beauty are praised & plastered on the screen as the model for what other young girls should aspire to be. Meanwhile in reality, resentment sets in because the 'thug boyz' don't blow up like they do in the video. Black men hate their women because they don't look like the chicks on the magazine & don't act like her either. Black Women are left wondering why am I alone in this? Black Men are left wondering why am I alone in this? We are playing out the stereotype to the fullest. 
The rape that happened in yesteryear happens all over again but in the mental state that plays out in the physical. With our women gone, our sons locked up, murdering each other in the streets, unable to gain or create employment...we are wiped away.

Next...

at you nikkas

