Asking Melo To Take A Paycut After This Past Season is Insulting

[Street Knowledge]

If he gets the max I know phil isn't really running the show and it's still Dolan

 

[FTBS]

Can't have it both ways. Can't go on an on about what he deserves and then cop pleas for missing the playoffs in a weak conference. They paid him the max the last 3 years and what good has it done them? We can talk about teammates and bad management all day the question is how exactly does giving Melo $120+ mil of you cap improve any of those things?

 

[Victim of Racism]

melo's been on some really great teams his entire career. in fact this is probably the only "bad" team he's ever had.

This team wasn't bad. It was the coach and ownership. Woodson was likely instructed by Dolan, who was either threatened or paid by the league to sabotage NY to help Miami's 3-peat, considering how NY dominated them last season. The best evidence of Woodson throwing games (and there is much) is when he called a time out to stop the momentum when his own team was making a run to get back into the Portland game at MSG. That's why he missed the Playoffs. He didn't do what ya boy did and miss the Playoffs with Westbrook like you claim. Really great? His entire career? Tell me more about the Playoff production of these “really great teams he's been on his entire career”.

 

[Trip]

Phil's lukewarm on Melo and Melo is lukewarm about Chicago. Melo isn't getting the velvet rope from the Knicks...especially when he's due 23.5 mill next season.

 

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

some CEO's take a 1 dollar salary

yeah they have 5-10% shares in the company worth hundreds of millions, and sometimes billions.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Can't have it both ways. Can't go on an on about what he deserves and then cop pleas for missing the playoffs in a weak conference. They paid him the max the last 3 years and what good has it done them?

He was one of the few people that got paid that actually produced. That can't be said about Amaré and the coaches.

 

[Consigliere]

The fact that 'Melo has never missed the Playoffs in his entire career until now and has a better Playoff record than CP3. He's a 1st option.

The Nuggets got better after Melo left. The Hornets got worse after Paul left.

The Knicks had a great year last season and missed the playoffs completely this year. Regardless of if they win a chip or get to the WCF the Clippers have turned into a legit franchise in a much tougher conference after years of sucking.

The Knicks only won 37 games this year. Can't think of any other star player in the league outside of maybe Kevin Love or Dwight or D. Williams who would put up great stats that result in so much futility.

 

[FTBS]

that team he had when he first got to NY was horrendous

You mean the 5th seed that had STAT playing well? Not gonna say they were great but they weren't horrendous either.

 

[Victim of Racism]

The Nuggets got better after Melo left. The Hornets got worse after Paul left.

The Knicks had a great year last season and missed the playoffs completely this year. Regardless of if they win a chip or get to the WCF the Clippers have turned into a legit franchise in a much tougher conference after years of sucking.

The Knicks only won 37 games this year. Can't think of any other star player in the league outside of maybe Kevin Love or Dwight or D. Williams who would put up great stats that result in so much futility.

Nuggets didn't make the Playoffs and had a worse record before he got there. Before this season, 'Melo had never even had a losing record. Regardless? Ain't no regardless. You said CP3 would do this and that and now you back-pedaling. Any player's good season would result in futility with the way Woodson coached this season. Woodson was likely instructed by Dolan, who was either threatened or paid by the league to sabotage NY to help Miami's 3-peat, considering how NY dominated them last season. The best evidence of Woodson throwing games (and there is much) is when he called a time out to stop the momentum when his own team was making a run to get back into the Portland game at MSG. That's why he missed the Playoffs. Goin' back to ya' boy, I'll quote this again:

Are We Giving a Pass to the Passer?

Chris Paul is arguably the best point guard in the NBA. He has all the talent you would want out of your point guard. He is quick, and has supreme control over the ball. He is more than a willing passer and understands that it’s not just about to whom you pass the ball, but also when you pass it to them. Paul can also finish around the basket and has a very good jump shot from the perimeter. His leadership qualities have been praised since his rookie year with the Hornets. With all that being said, he has had inconsistent success in the playoffs at best.

In his 8-year career, he has missed the playoffs 3 times and advanced past the first round only twice (both 2nd round defeats to the Spurs in ’08 and ’12). Despite his lack of postseason success, Paul is regarded around the league as a winner. Meanwhile, guys like Carmelo Anthony, Russell Westbrook, and others are constantly being reminded that they can’t win if they don’t change their styles of play (yet both of them have reached the Western Conference Finals, Westbrook has even been to the NBA Finals). Chris Paul is a great player; those who say otherwise are fooling themselves. It would be unfair to call him overrated, but it isn’t a stretch to say that he is overvalued.

He can contribute a lot to a team and can turn a franchise around the moment he steps in the building. Unfortunately for him, there are plenty of guys in the league that can come close to matching his impact on the game. Just as recently as last season, Grizzlies’ point guard Mike Conley essentially matched Paul’s production enough to lead Memphis to victory over the LA Clippers. Paul played very well in the series. It’s not his fault that his team lost. But to lose in the 1st Round with a team that was supposed to be a contender is a major failure. Not a result that one usually attributes to a “winner.”

Many people have said that he hasn’t had enough help to legitimately contend for a championship. In his days on the Hornets, this was true. But at the same time, he’s Chris Paul. He’s supposed to be one of the few guys that can turn a bad team into a competitive one on arrival. He seems to need a lot of help to really contend for a championship. Look at it this way. Would a team with Eric Bledsoe, Jamal Crawford, Caron Butler, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Chauncey Billups, Lamar Odom, and Matt Barnes make the playoffs in the West? It would have been close, but I think they could have snuck in last year. Surely, the addition of a player of Chris Paul’s caliber should get them out of the 1st Round at least (it didn’t).

So why do we give Chris Paul a pass when it comes to questions of legacy? Before Lebron James won a ring, it was said that he had something missing. His critics claimed that he wasn’t a winner. Nowadays, it’s Carmelo Anthony who doesn’t play winning basketball. Soon, we’ll be wondering whether or not Kevin Durant will ever win a ring. Some will go as far as to blame Russell Westbrook for OKC never winning the Larry O’Brien Trophy (a claim that would be patently false). Meanwhile, Chris Paul can lob his way into our hearts as the best point guard in the league and a surefire Hall of Famer with minimal backlash.

You can read the rest here.

 

[Victim of Racism]

You mean the 5th seed that had STAT playing well? Not gonna say they were great but they weren't horrendous either.

They were 42-40 in the East. Then 36-30 in the East.

 

[who_better_than_me]

I wonder would he have asked MJ, Kobe, or Shaq to take a paycut.....

 

[Consigliere]

Nuggets didn't make the Playoffs and had a worse record before he got there. Before this season, 'Melo had never even had a losing record. Regardless? Ain't no regardless. You said CP3 would do this and that and now you back-pedaling. Any player's good season would result in futility with the way Woodson coached this season. Woodson was likely instructed by Dolan, who was either threatened or paid by the league to sabotage NY to help Miami's 3-peat, considering how NY dominated them last season. The best evidence of Woodson throwing games (and there is much) is when he called a time out to stop the momentum when his own team was making a run to get back into the Portland game at MSG. That's why he missed the Playoffs. Goin' back to ya' boy, I'll quote this again:



You can read the rest here.

Getting knocked out of the playoffs by the Spurs and Lakers doesn't make a player not a winner. The Spurs and the Lakers have dominated basketball in the post MJ era. Unless those Hornets teams were favored to win, then I don't know how anyone rational could hold that against them.

Then, that article you posted had the audacity to compare CP3 to Westbrook, like Westbrook doesn't play with the greatest scorer of his generation. A Westbrook lead Thunder would be in danger of missing the playoffs completely.

Woodsons record w/ Knicks - 109-79

Mike Woodson is a scapegoat for ownership and Melo's selfish play. Just like Thibbs will be after Melo makes that lateral move to play with another broken down star with no lateral movement.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Getting knocked out of the playoffs by the Spurs and Lakers doesn't make a player not a winner. The Spurs and the Lakers have dominated basketball in the post MJ era. Unless those Hornets teams were favored to win, then I don't know how anyone rational could hold that against them.

Then, that article you posted had the audacity to compare CP3 to Westbrook, like Westbrook doesn't play with the greatest scorer of his generation. A Westbrook lead Thunder would be in danger of missing the playoffs completely.

Woodsons record w/ Knicks - 109-79

Mike Woodson is a scapegoat for ownership and Melo's selfish play. Just like Thibbs will be after Melo makes that lateral move to play with another broken down star with no lateral movement.

The combinations of getting knocked out by old Spurs teams, getting knocked out in the 1st Round with a team that was supposed to be a contender, missing the Playoffs 3 times in 8-years, never seeing a CF in 8 years, does makes a player not a winner. I see you trying to build a case by twisting his words, so let me untangle them. Westbrook and 'Melo (regardless of personnel) are told they need to make their styles of play to look more like CP3, yet, both of them have a better Playoff record than he does, even in the tough West. Yes, he has KD, but he also missed the Playoffs with KD. KD has also missed the Playoffs without Westbrook and let's not even talk about KD's performance in that Memphis series last season when Westbrook went down. Selfish play? Tell me, how many passes per minute did 'Melo average this season?

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Let brehs that can't stand the Knicks make "objective comments" about the Knicks brehs

 

[K-Deini]

Let brehs that can't stand the Knicks make "objective comments" about the Knicks brehs

same song and dance in every thread breh