When Did Rap Become So Ridiculous?

[MeachTheMonster]

Rap has been "ridiculous" from the start.

It's just lost the balance it used to have.

Even though Flava Flav himself was the epitome of "ridiculous" he still promoted a very serious message and social commentary.

Waka flaka flame is just ridiculous

As for who caused it.

 

[CrimsonTider]

rap music isnt entertainment, rap music is part of the black identity and a part of black culture, for people to call it just entertainment is disgusting, but the thing is on the consumer side and the creator side that is the current mentality, that is why at the end of the day black people have to abandon rap music, its infested by people that have little respect and no vision for the future of black people

How does any of this not make it entertainment?

 

[theworldismine13]

How does any of this not make it entertainment?

i didnt say it wasnt entertainment, its just its not just entertainment, calling it entertainment is doing a disservice

music and art, regardless of where you come from is part of your identity and how you express your self to the world, its how you transmit values to generations

the question is why is it so important for people to devalue the music and art of african americans to just entertainment? and why is it in the interest in african american for our art to be labeled "entertainment", who the hell does that? what other group of people on this planet jumps through hoops to make sure that their music and art just be entertainment and nothing more?

 

[Brown_Pride]

Hip hop:
it got cancer in about 98, full blown aids around 2002.

There are days when it has the strength to get up and do something meaningful but 99% of the time it's a specter of death and should be avoided lest you contract something too

RIP.

 

[CrimsonTider]

i didnt say it wasnt entertainment, its just its not just entertainment, calling it entertainment is doing a disservice

music and art, regardless of where you come from is part of your identity and how you express your self to the world, its how you transmit values to generations

the question is why is it so important for people to devalue the music and art of african americans to just entertainment? and why is it in the interest in african american for our art to be labeled "entertainment", who the hell does that? what other group of people on this planet jumps through hoops to make sure that their music and art just be entertainment and nothing more?

Hip hop:
it got cancer in about 98, full blown aids around 2002.

There are days when it has the strength to get up and do something meaningful but 99% of the time it's a specter of death and should be avoided lest you contract something too

RIP.

No

The problem is that certain people thought hiphop could be a tool to enact some type of social consciousness among young black people. That would move us in a direction to mobilize and sour change

When it became apparent that hiphop is dance music first and foremost. Prowls started to blame it for ills of blacks that was always there


Hiphop is in no way worse than it was in the early 90s or whatever

 

[The Real]

Culture Shock: The TV Series and Beyond: The Devil's Music: 1920's Jazz



Jazz was known as the devil's music..... some argued. Some said it was going to destroy the fabric of America.

This is very true, but I think Jazz had more balance. For all the drugs, association with pimps and criminals and whatever else, there was also another side that produced "high art" and socially conscious messages. Hip-hop used to have more balance, too. I don't know if we can make the same argument for it now.

 

[theworldismine13]

No

The problem is that certain people thought hiphop could be a tool to enact some type of social consciousness among young black people. That would move us in a direction to mobilize and sour change

When it became apparent that hiphop is dance music first and foremost. Prowls started to blame it for ills of blacks that was always there


Hiphop is in no way worse than it was in the early 90s or whatever

yeah i agree with part of that, i thought hip hop was a way to change but if hip hop is not a way for black people to move forward then im against it and it can go to hell, there is no logical reason for me to support hip hop, i think delores tucker was right

if you are correct then rap music is not even worth defending, it would be like defending britney spears

 

[CrimsonTider]

yeah i agree with part of that, i thought hip hop was a way to change but if hip hop is not a way for black people to move forward then im against it and it can go to hell, there is no logical reason for me to support hip hop, i think delores tucker was right

if you are correct then rap music is not even worth defending, it would be like defending britney spears

Why can't rap music be something use as an escape from life


Work hard all week. On the weekend I go out and party to rap music.

 

[Brown_Pride]

No

The problem is that certain people thought hiphop could be a tool to enact some type of social consciousness among young black people. That would move us in a direction to mobilize and sour change

When it became apparent that hiphop is dance music first and foremost. Prowls started to blame it for ills of blacks that was always there


Hiphop is in no way worse than it was in the early 90s or whatever

No
The problem is that certain people used hiphop as a tool to enact a sharing of a taboo culture and a voicing of social injustices...particularly those of young black people and then that tool got stolen.

When it became apparent there was money to be made with that voice Prowls started to exploit that voice and changed it from what it was to what it is.

That being said it was always a form of entertainment and still is.

I don't blame it for the ills of any community, to pretend it doesn't contribute in both a negative and sometimes positive is to deny the power of music. Denying the power of music is just silly.

 

[theworldismine13]

Why can't rap music be something use as an escape from life


Work hard all week. On the weekend I go out and party to rap music.

its a free country you can do whatever you want, but you need to explain to me why it is in my interest to support or defend rap music, and you need to explain how its moving black people forward, if its not i dont undersand why i would care about it, to me delores tucker made more sense, we need to have positive images of black people in the media so that the culture moves forward

 

[CrimsonTider]

its a free country you can do whatever you want, but you need to explain to me why it is in my interest to support or defend rap music, and you need to explain how its moving black people forward, if its not i dont undersand why i would care about it, to me delores tucker made more sense, we need to have positive images of black people in the media so that the culture moves forward

It's purpose is not move black people forward.

 

[theworldismine13]

It's purpose is not move black people forward.

ok, then its settled, thats why i stopped giving a fuk about rap music and i advise other african americans that want to move forward to leave rap music behind, its not something that is moving us forward

 

[CrimsonTider]

ok, then its settled, thats why i stopped giving a fuk about rap music and i advise other african americans that want to move forward to leave rap music behind, its not something that is moving us forward

So we can't listen to rap and try to advance?

 

[theworldismine13]

So we can't listen to rap and try to advance?

if you conduct yourself with the values transmitted through current hip hop then no you cant advance

that is what is hypocritical about the rap world, both black and white people are promoting things in rap that they would never do in real life, that is another thing that disgusts me about hip hop, everybody knows that shyt is retarded but nobody wants to do anything about it, like you they hide behind the "its just entertainment" bs

there is no music invented on earth that has a neutral impact on the human mind, that is the dumbest thing ever, music is part of your culture, your culture determines how you act

 

[Camile.Bidan]

the late 80s was critical into leading black culture/rap music the wrong direction.
all those backpackers do make better music/entertainment. labels just collectively endorsed ignorant music because it was to their advantage and conspired against underground labels.

but of course ppl will side with the money because the marketing campaign of the bigger labels..

No. It's because that music fukking sucks. You can't get a party rock'n with Company Flow or even Mos Def. Ever notice how almost no women liked Backpacker music back then? underground hip-hop was almost 95% male (beta male at that).


The South Had far superior production quality, rappers with stand-out personalities, and fun culture. People that call music ignorant miss the whole point. It's fun. It's fun to listen too and it's fun to get all amped' up.

Nobody gives a flying fukk about what Waka Flocka or some other dude is saying. Their care about the energy and fun that Waka Flocka brings to the music.

Maybe people don't want to hear some "message", and maybe they don't want to be depressed about the world on their free time. Did you ever once think about that?